1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 For best IPTV provider, please visit: WWW.IPTV.CAT For best IPTV provider, please visit: WWW.IPTV.CAT.BZ 2 00:00:07,132 --> 00:00:08,842 [tense music playing] 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 For best IPTV provider, please visit: WWW.IPTV.CAT For best IPTV provider, please visit: WWW.IPTV.CAT.BZ 4 00:00:08,925 --> 00:00:11,636 I did a documentary today with this guy, Louis Theroux. 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,722 Um, that took a majority of the day. 6 00:00:13,805 --> 00:00:17,517 I don't know who he is, but apparently, he's a respected documentarian. 7 00:00:18,476 --> 00:00:20,270 Do you guys know who this is? 8 00:00:21,646 --> 00:00:22,856 Louis Theroux. 9 00:00:23,732 --> 00:00:25,108 Oh shit. 10 00:00:25,191 --> 00:00:27,277 Is he gonna do a hit piece on me? 11 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,488 I don't know what Louis's move is, but everyone's telling me 12 00:00:30,572 --> 00:00:32,615 he goes out of his way to try to fuck people. 13 00:00:32,699 --> 00:00:36,244 So, I didn't really know that. I think I handled it well so far. 14 00:00:36,327 --> 00:00:39,539 "Louis Theroux is gonna be a full-on hit piece." 15 00:00:41,249 --> 00:00:42,250 Probably, mate. 16 00:00:42,834 --> 00:00:45,503 [Myron] "Myron, you know this Brit cuck is going to make a hit piece?" 17 00:00:45,587 --> 00:00:47,964 "He's so woke, his wife makes him pee sitting down." 18 00:00:48,048 --> 00:00:52,177 He's like… [exaggerated British accent] "What do you think Sneako's message is?" 19 00:00:52,260 --> 00:00:53,636 Do I sound like that? 20 00:00:54,804 --> 00:00:55,805 A little bit. 21 00:00:55,889 --> 00:00:57,891 [energetic music playing] 22 00:00:59,559 --> 00:01:02,937 A man who's not dangerous will never be seen as successful. 23 00:01:03,021 --> 00:01:04,314 You can't be a little bitch. 24 00:01:04,397 --> 00:01:06,858 Men against women. It's attack on masculinity. 25 00:01:06,941 --> 00:01:09,986 If your bitch is going to a club when you said no… 26 00:01:10,070 --> 00:01:12,322 -[man] I agree. -…destroy her fucking life. 27 00:01:13,990 --> 00:01:15,075 [Louis] A few years ago, 28 00:01:15,158 --> 00:01:18,328 I noticed that parts of the Internet were being taken over… 29 00:01:18,411 --> 00:01:23,416 Yo, a lot of you need to wake up! Wake up! 30 00:01:23,500 --> 00:01:26,127 …by a collection of male influencers. 31 00:01:26,211 --> 00:01:27,545 We're like the last stand 32 00:01:27,629 --> 00:01:30,173 against this fucking bullshit that's going on. 33 00:01:30,256 --> 00:01:33,301 [crowd chanting] 34 00:01:33,384 --> 00:01:35,178 [Louis] They claimed to be giving young men 35 00:01:35,261 --> 00:01:37,680 the cheat codes to win at life. 36 00:01:38,515 --> 00:01:41,309 I made £6,000 before I got out of bed this morning. 37 00:01:43,853 --> 00:01:45,605 [Louis] They had millions of followers. 38 00:01:45,688 --> 00:01:46,940 -Top G. -[boy 1] Fuck the women! 39 00:01:47,023 --> 00:01:48,650 -What? -[boy 2] All gays should die! 40 00:01:48,733 --> 00:01:50,568 -[boy 3] Fuck gays! -What have I done? 41 00:01:50,652 --> 00:01:54,948 [Louis] They boasted about having access at the highest levels of power. 42 00:01:55,031 --> 00:01:57,158 Donald Trump is the future of the Western world. 43 00:01:57,242 --> 00:01:59,202 And he's a good friend of mine. I'm gonna help him. 44 00:02:01,121 --> 00:02:03,456 [Louis] I became curious why some of them held 45 00:02:03,540 --> 00:02:05,750 such extreme beliefs. 46 00:02:05,834 --> 00:02:07,293 There is a war on men being strong. 47 00:02:07,961 --> 00:02:10,797 [Louis] And whether they really were what they seemed. 48 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,676 I've now personally fucked 2,000 women, which is quite an accomplishment. 49 00:02:16,636 --> 00:02:19,806 [Louis] They were deeply mistrustful of mainstream media, 50 00:02:19,889 --> 00:02:21,307 but after months of effort, 51 00:02:21,391 --> 00:02:25,895 I'd managed to find a way inside the new world of men 52 00:02:25,979 --> 00:02:29,858 who were redefining what it means to be a man. 53 00:02:35,864 --> 00:02:37,866 [energetic music fades] 54 00:02:38,950 --> 00:02:40,952 [birds singing] 55 00:02:53,423 --> 00:02:54,924 [intercom rings] 56 00:02:58,011 --> 00:03:00,638 -[Louis] Hey, we're looking for Harrison. -He's through here. 57 00:03:00,722 --> 00:03:04,434 -[Louis] Can we come in? -Uh, one second. One second. 58 00:03:04,517 --> 00:03:06,436 [Louis] Early 2025… 59 00:03:06,519 --> 00:03:08,646 -Here he is. -[Harrison] Hello, hello. 60 00:03:08,730 --> 00:03:12,275 …after protracted negotiations, I'd arranged two days of filming 61 00:03:12,358 --> 00:03:15,570 with an influencer named Harrison Sullivan. 62 00:03:15,653 --> 00:03:18,406 -Permission to come aboard? -[Harrison] You've got some big cameras. 63 00:03:18,489 --> 00:03:20,408 [Louis] Of course we do. We're the real deal. 64 00:03:20,491 --> 00:03:21,743 We're not YouTubers. 65 00:03:21,826 --> 00:03:24,245 -How are you doing? -Okay. Okay, then. 66 00:03:24,329 --> 00:03:26,414 -[Louis] I like your setup. -Professional videographer. 67 00:03:26,497 --> 00:03:29,626 -Are we content sharing? Filming. -We are. We are, indeed. 68 00:03:29,709 --> 00:03:31,044 -We have cameras. -Are you live? 69 00:03:31,127 --> 00:03:31,961 -[man] No. -No. 70 00:03:32,045 --> 00:03:33,838 -Are we all right to go in? -100%, man. 71 00:03:33,922 --> 00:03:35,381 -Should we go in? Yeah. -100%. 72 00:03:36,841 --> 00:03:39,636 -So, this is my dishwasher over here. -[laughs] 73 00:03:39,719 --> 00:03:41,930 -My cleaner. -[woman] I'm not the dishwasher. 74 00:03:42,013 --> 00:03:44,224 -Say hello. This is going on Netflix. -Nice to meet you. 75 00:03:44,307 --> 00:03:45,642 -Louis. What's your name? -Kacey. 76 00:03:45,725 --> 00:03:47,936 -I think I've seen you on the socials. -Have you? 77 00:03:48,019 --> 00:03:51,981 Yeah, there was a clip you put up. Do you do TikTok? What's your platform? 78 00:03:52,065 --> 00:03:55,193 Yeah, a little bit. It's kacey._may on TikTok. 79 00:03:55,276 --> 00:03:58,154 -[Harrison] Yeah, I like that. -[Louis] Who else have we got? 80 00:03:58,238 --> 00:04:00,657 I'm… I'm known as The Naarn Slayer. 81 00:04:00,740 --> 00:04:03,076 And the reason I'm here is 'cause Harrison chose me. 82 00:04:03,159 --> 00:04:06,371 -I was a fan, and I got flown out here. -[Louis] Are you part of the team? 83 00:04:06,454 --> 00:04:08,164 -I'm part of the team. -What do you do? 84 00:04:08,248 --> 00:04:11,626 I also won the Range Rover giveaway that Harrison did on YouTube. 85 00:04:11,709 --> 00:04:14,003 -Who else have we got? -I've got close protection. 86 00:04:14,087 --> 00:04:15,171 [Louis] Who's that? 87 00:04:15,255 --> 00:04:18,007 -Oh! -[group laughs] 88 00:04:18,508 --> 00:04:20,093 [Louis] Okay. 89 00:04:20,176 --> 00:04:22,345 What the fuck are you doing with your life? 90 00:04:22,428 --> 00:04:25,974 I'm waking up, my two-grand-a-night villa, out in Ibiza, 91 00:04:26,057 --> 00:04:27,183 living the fucking life. 92 00:04:27,267 --> 00:04:30,770 [Louis] Harrison streams under the name HSTikkyTokky. 93 00:04:30,853 --> 00:04:32,522 Right, where's the muff at? 94 00:04:32,605 --> 00:04:36,150 [Louis] Just 23, he's famous for his offensive content… 95 00:04:36,234 --> 00:04:37,527 My name's Dora. 96 00:04:37,610 --> 00:04:40,989 Dora, Dora. Okay. Okay. My name's "Sung-min." 97 00:04:41,072 --> 00:04:45,076 …and for showing off his riches and physical prowess online. 98 00:04:45,159 --> 00:04:47,537 Lambo, B! Come on! 99 00:04:47,620 --> 00:04:50,331 [Louis] Encouraging his fans to reject the system, 100 00:04:50,415 --> 00:04:53,167 which he calls the matrix, and follow him. 101 00:04:53,251 --> 00:04:55,837 Police in Surrey have launched an appeal to find Harrison Sullivan, 102 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,422 also known as HSTikkyTokky. 103 00:04:57,505 --> 00:04:58,589 The 23-year-old is… 104 00:04:58,673 --> 00:05:01,426 [Louis] Since fleeing a car crash, he'd been on the run, 105 00:05:01,509 --> 00:05:04,971 but remained massively popular with his millions of followers, 106 00:05:05,054 --> 00:05:09,851 posting a constant stream of content, much of it featuring female influencers. 107 00:05:10,351 --> 00:05:12,437 What is your favorite thing about me? 108 00:05:13,229 --> 00:05:14,230 Your money. 109 00:05:14,314 --> 00:05:18,443 [laughing] Oh my God. Wow. 110 00:05:20,653 --> 00:05:23,156 [Louis] Most people would know you as a content creator. 111 00:05:23,239 --> 00:05:24,991 What would you say is the message? 112 00:05:25,074 --> 00:05:30,246 I… I coach boys how to be fucking boys, how to make money, be outside the system, 113 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:32,165 how to not have a boss telling you what to do. 114 00:05:32,248 --> 00:05:35,376 I teach guys to be proper guys, not these little soy boys, 115 00:05:35,460 --> 00:05:38,129 little gimps that walk around in the modern day. 116 00:05:38,212 --> 00:05:39,964 Would you see me that way? 117 00:05:40,048 --> 00:05:41,549 Um… 118 00:05:41,632 --> 00:05:44,427 I'm not sure. I'd have to see how… what your skills are. 119 00:05:44,510 --> 00:05:46,054 Did you look at my arms? 120 00:05:46,554 --> 00:05:49,849 Well, I just sort of checked your… your… your stature out. 121 00:05:49,932 --> 00:05:51,225 -Did you? -Yeah, yeah. 122 00:05:51,309 --> 00:05:54,645 -Go on. -The stature's not saying too much. 123 00:05:54,729 --> 00:05:56,898 -[tense music playing] -[Louis huffs] 124 00:05:57,565 --> 00:06:00,985 -Do you wanna get to the gym? -[Harrison] Yeah, let's go. Definitely. 125 00:06:01,069 --> 00:06:03,071 [intense music playing] 126 00:06:10,828 --> 00:06:12,830 [Harrison] All right, boys, so we're in the gym, 127 00:06:12,914 --> 00:06:15,583 filming a, uh, gym workout. 128 00:06:16,167 --> 00:06:17,293 Let's go. 129 00:06:17,377 --> 00:06:21,422 Now, this is a sick gym. Training outside, it's, like… it's nice. 130 00:06:21,506 --> 00:06:24,509 Very nice. I like to start… I normally train earlier in the day. 131 00:06:24,592 --> 00:06:26,719 I like to start my day working out, doing hard things. 132 00:06:26,803 --> 00:06:29,263 -Who are you talking to? -What? Do I not talk to them? 133 00:06:29,347 --> 00:06:30,640 -Not really. -Talk to you? 134 00:06:30,723 --> 00:06:32,975 We're not on social media now. This is a real documentary. 135 00:06:33,059 --> 00:06:35,520 This is TV. This is the, uh, level up from that. 136 00:06:35,603 --> 00:06:38,606 Sorry. I forgot, mate. I'm used to my mere social media life. 137 00:06:38,689 --> 00:06:40,775 -We just pretend those aren't there. -Fair enough. 138 00:06:40,858 --> 00:06:43,319 So, I'm used to training first thing in the morning. 139 00:06:43,403 --> 00:06:44,987 -[Louis] Every day? -[Harrison] Every day. 140 00:06:45,071 --> 00:06:46,406 Do you do a leg day? 141 00:06:46,489 --> 00:06:48,282 Yeah. Can you tell? 142 00:06:49,450 --> 00:06:51,619 Yeah. Silly question, that. Innit, mate? 143 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:53,830 Calves need a little work. 144 00:06:53,913 --> 00:06:56,749 [Harrison laughs] They do. They do. 145 00:06:57,792 --> 00:06:59,585 [energetic music playing] 146 00:07:01,379 --> 00:07:04,298 [Louis] HS's content on TikTok and Instagram is a gateway 147 00:07:04,382 --> 00:07:08,302 to a second level of social media, his Telegram group, 148 00:07:08,386 --> 00:07:11,556 where he has over half a million followers. 149 00:07:11,639 --> 00:07:13,516 Listen, if you wanna see the behind the scenes, 150 00:07:13,599 --> 00:07:16,185 the shit I cannot put on YouTube 'cause it's too loose, 151 00:07:16,269 --> 00:07:17,353 get inside my Telegram. 152 00:07:18,479 --> 00:07:21,607 [Louis] Here, there are links to the accounts of X-rated performers 153 00:07:21,691 --> 00:07:25,153 on the subscription-based platform OnlyFans. 154 00:07:25,236 --> 00:07:29,699 As well as content of scantily clad women, there are also appeals to sign up to apps 155 00:07:29,782 --> 00:07:34,537 that offer financial services, where you can follow HS's trading tips. 156 00:07:34,620 --> 00:07:39,041 I've just got in the apartment. £10,000 in an hour and a half. 157 00:07:39,125 --> 00:07:42,086 What more do you need to see, you idiots? 158 00:07:42,170 --> 00:07:44,630 [Louis] He regularly posts videos to his Telegram 159 00:07:44,714 --> 00:07:48,301 about his supposed financial success and the way to achieve it. 160 00:07:48,384 --> 00:07:51,721 In both cases, HS takes a cut of the income. 161 00:07:51,804 --> 00:07:54,974 Don't hesitate. Don't wait. You can be making hundreds of pounds today, 162 00:07:55,057 --> 00:07:57,852 or you can still be doing the same bullshit that you do. 163 00:07:57,935 --> 00:07:59,312 Send a message now. Let's go. 164 00:08:01,689 --> 00:08:03,858 I'm not gonna stop at small scale. 165 00:08:03,941 --> 00:08:06,194 By the time I'm, you know, your age, 166 00:08:06,277 --> 00:08:11,365 I'd like to have a hundreds of millions valuated company, you know? 167 00:08:11,449 --> 00:08:12,992 Maybe even in the billions. 168 00:08:13,075 --> 00:08:14,785 Do you manage OnlyFans girls? 169 00:08:14,869 --> 00:08:19,123 I don't personally manage them, but I bought an agency that does. 170 00:08:19,207 --> 00:08:21,250 Do I agree with it? No. 171 00:08:21,334 --> 00:08:22,919 Would I profit off it? Yeah. 172 00:08:23,002 --> 00:08:25,630 I'm a businessman, man. I'm not doing it for fucking fun. 173 00:08:25,713 --> 00:08:28,132 [hesitates] Not what my daughter will be involved with. 174 00:08:28,216 --> 00:08:31,135 -I'd disown my daughter. Like, then… -[Louis] Would you? 175 00:08:31,219 --> 00:08:33,262 -To say the least. -If she done something like that? 176 00:08:33,346 --> 00:08:35,223 -[Louis] That's easy to say. -It disgusts me. 177 00:08:35,306 --> 00:08:38,434 -Same way if my son come out gay. -[Louis] What, seriously? 178 00:08:38,518 --> 00:08:41,312 Being gay nowadays is considered quite normal. 179 00:08:41,395 --> 00:08:42,897 -Not my son. -[Louis] Why? 180 00:08:42,980 --> 00:08:44,232 Just not my son, innit? 181 00:08:44,315 --> 00:08:46,901 To say, like, you'd disown him, that's a big statement. 182 00:08:46,984 --> 00:08:49,237 Did your values come from your mum, mainly? 183 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,864 No, my mum's very… My mum's different. 184 00:08:51,948 --> 00:08:53,866 My mum would be disappointed that I said that. 185 00:08:53,950 --> 00:08:57,245 -Really? -Yeah. She hates racism. 186 00:08:57,328 --> 00:08:59,914 She hates, like, homophobia. 187 00:08:59,997 --> 00:09:03,251 -[Louis] Sexism? -Sexism? She hates sexism. 188 00:09:03,334 --> 00:09:05,962 She hates all that shit. So if I was like, uh… 189 00:09:06,045 --> 00:09:09,382 Like, the women cleaning and that. I wouldn't say that around my mum. 190 00:09:09,465 --> 00:09:10,716 -[Louis] Really? -I'd get a slap. 191 00:09:23,062 --> 00:09:25,523 -[Harrison] Go in the garden? Show you? -[Louis] Sure. Why not? 192 00:09:26,107 --> 00:09:27,858 [Harrison] It's a nice, nice base. 193 00:09:30,361 --> 00:09:31,571 [Louis] How did you come up? 194 00:09:31,654 --> 00:09:35,074 So, I was at university. I was with my friend Ed. 195 00:09:35,157 --> 00:09:36,742 We were just trying to make content 196 00:09:36,826 --> 00:09:39,453 and trying to think of a way how we could make money. 197 00:09:39,537 --> 00:09:42,873 I went from zero to making about £1,000 a day overnight. 198 00:09:42,957 --> 00:09:45,543 -On what? -Fitness plans, fitness programs. 199 00:09:45,626 --> 00:09:47,753 Made £1,000 a day. Within two weeks, I was like, 200 00:09:47,837 --> 00:09:51,215 "Right, I'm gonna go to Marbella and try and stream and become big." 201 00:09:51,299 --> 00:09:53,843 £1,000 to £3,000 a day, and then it just went up. 202 00:09:53,926 --> 00:09:56,512 -That's what it was. -You were a salesman at that point? 203 00:09:56,596 --> 00:09:58,723 I've always been a salesman. I'm a salesman now. 204 00:09:58,806 --> 00:10:00,850 Sales is the most important skill you can have. 205 00:10:00,933 --> 00:10:03,394 You're never gonna be ultra-successful if you can't sell. 206 00:10:03,477 --> 00:10:05,479 But there was a time when you were putting out 207 00:10:05,563 --> 00:10:07,565 cheeky content that was going viral. 208 00:10:07,648 --> 00:10:09,734 -How does that fit into the picture? -That's content. 209 00:10:09,817 --> 00:10:13,529 We live in an attention economy. So that gets attention. 210 00:10:13,613 --> 00:10:16,782 And with the attention, I can get more fame, monetize. 211 00:10:16,866 --> 00:10:19,035 -And monetize the fame. -Yes, exactly. 212 00:10:19,118 --> 00:10:22,163 Does the term "matrix" mean anything to you? 213 00:10:22,830 --> 00:10:24,999 The system, higher powers, 214 00:10:25,082 --> 00:10:26,834 the colluding powers at the top of the world 215 00:10:26,917 --> 00:10:30,546 that want to keep everyone down, broke, keep the slave mindset going. 216 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:32,465 -That's what that means to me. -Is that real? 217 00:10:32,548 --> 00:10:35,718 -'Course it's real. 'Course it's real. -[tense music playing] 218 00:10:35,801 --> 00:10:39,096 The people at the top of the world, why would they want people below them 219 00:10:39,180 --> 00:10:41,015 to make a load of money and not serve them? 220 00:10:41,098 --> 00:10:42,350 It doesn't make sense. 221 00:10:44,018 --> 00:10:46,020 [gulls calling] 222 00:10:55,154 --> 00:10:56,614 [Louis] It was the next day, 223 00:10:56,697 --> 00:10:59,283 and a clip that someone on HS's team had posted 224 00:10:59,367 --> 00:11:01,744 of me filming him had gone viral. 225 00:11:01,827 --> 00:11:04,789 "Netflix, coming soon. Very interesting discussions with Louis." 226 00:11:04,872 --> 00:11:07,041 "Will be interested to see how he tries to rip me, 227 00:11:07,124 --> 00:11:08,959 considering the numbers and evidence shown 228 00:11:09,043 --> 00:11:11,504 to support my business and network are monumental." 229 00:11:13,631 --> 00:11:18,010 The comments were mainly scathing, about him and his financial products. 230 00:11:19,970 --> 00:11:22,848 I hoped they wouldn't worry HS too much. 231 00:11:23,349 --> 00:11:25,142 -[man] All right? -[Louis] How are you doing? 232 00:11:25,226 --> 00:11:27,436 -Hello. -Hi, Sam. Hi, Harrison. How are you doing? 233 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,689 -How are you? -No need to get up. Thank you. 234 00:11:29,772 --> 00:11:30,898 [woman on phone] Hi. 235 00:11:37,238 --> 00:11:38,406 [Sam] Another shot. 236 00:11:39,615 --> 00:11:41,033 [Harrison] That was outside. 237 00:11:44,203 --> 00:11:46,080 -[Louis] How are you doing? -Pretty good. 238 00:11:46,163 --> 00:11:49,083 I went to bed late 'cause I was out getting content last night. 239 00:11:49,166 --> 00:11:50,751 Got a video of me getting sucked off 240 00:11:50,835 --> 00:11:53,170 in the toilet of a club here if you wanna see that. 241 00:11:53,254 --> 00:11:55,589 -No, you didn't. -Bet you'd like to see that. 242 00:11:55,673 --> 00:11:57,508 -Did he? -[chuckles] 243 00:11:58,134 --> 00:12:00,469 -This happened? -Last night, today, 1:20. 244 00:12:00,553 --> 00:12:01,679 What's the location? 245 00:12:01,762 --> 00:12:03,639 -The toilet. -Up the strip. 246 00:12:03,723 --> 00:12:07,059 -Did she know she was being filmed? -Of course she did, yeah. 247 00:12:07,143 --> 00:12:09,228 -And she didn't mind? -Didn't mind. 248 00:12:09,311 --> 00:12:11,313 [clicks tongue] What's that all about? 249 00:12:11,397 --> 00:12:12,481 Clout. 250 00:12:13,190 --> 00:12:16,068 [Louis] Why does that help her to be seen to be giving you a blowjob? 251 00:12:16,152 --> 00:12:18,112 I don't know why it may help her. 252 00:12:18,195 --> 00:12:20,823 You know, you'd have to ask her. [sniffles] 253 00:12:20,906 --> 00:12:22,533 [Louis] We're on the 'gram now. 254 00:12:22,616 --> 00:12:25,244 There I am, announcing a Netflix documentary. 255 00:12:25,327 --> 00:12:27,121 Yeah. I saw it. It's gone up 300K views. 256 00:12:27,204 --> 00:12:31,000 The comment was along the lines of, "Documentary following me around." 257 00:12:31,083 --> 00:12:33,210 "They might be trying to rip me. We'll see." 258 00:12:33,294 --> 00:12:35,004 "Interested to see how it turns out." 259 00:12:35,087 --> 00:12:37,465 Yeah, I'm actually… I'm very interested to see. 260 00:12:38,466 --> 00:12:40,092 -Mm. -[Louis] Me too. 261 00:12:40,718 --> 00:12:42,553 -[chuckles] -[Louis] Very. 262 00:12:42,636 --> 00:12:43,721 Yeah. 263 00:12:45,347 --> 00:12:47,308 Are you all right? You got funny energy today. 264 00:12:47,391 --> 00:12:48,726 -So do you. -[Louis] Do I? 265 00:12:48,809 --> 00:12:50,644 [both laugh] 266 00:12:52,146 --> 00:12:54,607 [tense music playing] 267 00:12:54,690 --> 00:12:56,901 [Louis] The plan for the day was to join HS 268 00:12:56,984 --> 00:13:00,529 as he did live streams around Marbella and maybe see a yacht party. 269 00:13:00,613 --> 00:13:02,323 -[Louis] All right? -Nice to meet you. 270 00:13:02,406 --> 00:13:05,117 [Louis] First, we connected with his friend, Ed Matthews, 271 00:13:05,201 --> 00:13:06,577 who'd just flown in from London. 272 00:13:06,660 --> 00:13:08,204 -Hello. -[Ed] What's happening, brother? 273 00:13:08,287 --> 00:13:10,122 -How long you been here? -Just got here. 274 00:13:10,206 --> 00:13:12,917 -Fucking hell. Be careful. -Good to see you. The boys are back. 275 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,794 Be careful of this fella, mate. 276 00:13:14,877 --> 00:13:16,712 He looks nice. He looks like he's a friend. 277 00:13:16,796 --> 00:13:19,799 -He's trying to turn the tables now. -The evil smile. 278 00:13:19,882 --> 00:13:21,967 -"The evil…"? -"The evil," that's a bit strong. 279 00:13:22,051 --> 00:13:24,720 -That is very, very strong, mate. -[Harrison] The evil smile, mate. 280 00:13:24,804 --> 00:13:28,057 [Ed] All right, boys, we're gonna test out the punch machine. 281 00:13:29,892 --> 00:13:31,268 Show you how it's done, mate. 282 00:13:33,270 --> 00:13:36,565 [Louis] Ed came up making videos for TikTok and YouTube 283 00:13:36,649 --> 00:13:39,527 as a kind of Robin to HS's Batman. 284 00:13:39,610 --> 00:13:42,154 All right. We're about to drop some game on the beach. 285 00:13:42,238 --> 00:13:44,323 -These two with their boyfriends. -All right. 286 00:13:44,406 --> 00:13:46,867 [Harrison] Get it on film. They're with their boyfriends. 287 00:13:46,951 --> 00:13:49,370 [Ed] We're actually finding the most tartiest outfits. 288 00:13:49,453 --> 00:13:50,788 I think you're competing, darling. 289 00:13:50,871 --> 00:13:56,293 [Louis] His content combined fitness, online flirting, and conspiracy theories. 290 00:13:56,377 --> 00:13:58,045 Aliens definitely helped build the pyramids 291 00:13:58,128 --> 00:14:00,381 by the way they're aligned with the stars, yeah? 292 00:14:00,464 --> 00:14:03,259 They might come for me if I start talking about this shit. 293 00:14:03,342 --> 00:14:06,178 We're two minutes away from his house. We're gonna sting him right now. 294 00:14:06,262 --> 00:14:09,890 [Louis] Recently, he'd been livestreaming doing so-called "predator stings." 295 00:14:09,974 --> 00:14:11,600 We've got the fuck-off microphone. 296 00:14:11,684 --> 00:14:13,644 So, if he ain't answering 'cause he's scared, 297 00:14:13,727 --> 00:14:17,106 -I'll shout down his fucking door! -[man chuckles] 298 00:14:17,189 --> 00:14:19,233 There's no escaping Ed Matty, bruv. 299 00:14:19,316 --> 00:14:21,610 [Louis] He would confront and humiliate people 300 00:14:21,694 --> 00:14:23,279 he accused of being predators. 301 00:14:23,362 --> 00:14:26,907 Who's the next predator? I can't lie. This one's gonna be madder than that one. 302 00:14:27,575 --> 00:14:31,620 [Louis] In several recent encounters, Ed forced them to eat pet food. 303 00:14:31,704 --> 00:14:33,539 [Ed] Go on. Get that down you, mate. 304 00:14:34,039 --> 00:14:35,457 Good fucking boy. 305 00:14:35,541 --> 00:14:37,585 And how does the humiliation help? 306 00:14:38,586 --> 00:14:41,422 Just… because this will… this will last forever. 307 00:14:41,505 --> 00:14:42,673 And they'll always… 308 00:14:42,756 --> 00:14:44,884 So this is worse than going to jail, I reckon. 309 00:14:44,967 --> 00:14:46,552 Is that a paedo? 310 00:14:46,635 --> 00:14:48,095 Did you hear that? "Is that a paedo?" 311 00:14:48,178 --> 00:14:50,723 No. This is Louis Theroux, mate. Not a paedo. 312 00:14:50,806 --> 00:14:53,267 Thank you. Appreciate that. 313 00:14:53,350 --> 00:14:55,394 Just so they know you're not getting stung right now. 314 00:14:58,606 --> 00:15:01,775 [Louis] By now, HS was keeping himself scarce, 315 00:15:01,859 --> 00:15:04,194 possibly troubled by the comments that had come in, 316 00:15:04,278 --> 00:15:06,739 saying he'd be exposed in my documentary. 317 00:15:06,822 --> 00:15:09,533 You all right, girls? Having a good night? 318 00:15:09,617 --> 00:15:12,077 [Louis] The plan for a yacht party had gone out the window, 319 00:15:12,161 --> 00:15:13,746 so instead, we joined Ed 320 00:15:13,829 --> 00:15:16,749 while he chatted up girls on the streets of Marbella. 321 00:15:16,832 --> 00:15:19,168 You all right, darling? Having a good night? 322 00:15:19,251 --> 00:15:22,004 My dad is a 50-year-old virgin. 323 00:15:22,087 --> 00:15:24,965 -I'm looking for a bit of dark chocolate. -[woman] So, come to my lodge. 324 00:15:25,049 --> 00:15:27,217 [Ed] Yeah? You like white chocolate, then, yeah? 325 00:15:27,301 --> 00:15:31,221 [Louis] The aim for content like this is that short clips get shared and go viral. 326 00:15:31,305 --> 00:15:34,516 You want my Instagram, or you want my Instagram? What one? 327 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:35,851 Both at the same time? 328 00:15:36,644 --> 00:15:37,937 Trio? 329 00:15:38,020 --> 00:15:40,814 [Louis] Everywhere Ed went, he was approached by young fans. 330 00:15:40,898 --> 00:15:42,232 [group exclaims] 331 00:15:42,816 --> 00:15:44,360 -[Ed] Where you guys from? -Iceland! 332 00:15:44,443 --> 00:15:48,113 -[Ed] Iceland, yeah? -[group] Yeah! 333 00:15:48,197 --> 00:15:50,449 -Ed, you're the king. You're the king. -I love that. 334 00:15:50,532 --> 00:15:53,202 -How long have you been doing YouTube? -Like two weeks. Just started. 335 00:15:53,285 --> 00:15:54,912 -Really? -You're one of my inspirations. 336 00:15:54,995 --> 00:15:57,581 -[man 1] Well, good luck. -[Ed] Whose mother is that? 337 00:15:57,665 --> 00:15:59,667 -[man 2] She's mine. -Is she single? 338 00:15:59,750 --> 00:16:01,251 -No, fuck off. -She's not single. 339 00:16:01,335 --> 00:16:03,087 [Ed] Oh, all right. Have a good day. 340 00:16:03,170 --> 00:16:04,630 Now, that was uncalled for. 341 00:16:04,713 --> 00:16:07,841 Sometimes I drop game, and I think, "There was no need for that." 342 00:16:09,885 --> 00:16:14,139 [Louis] At the end of the night, I managed to grab a final moment with HS. 343 00:16:14,223 --> 00:16:16,225 So, I've just had a important call. 344 00:16:16,892 --> 00:16:20,562 I need to go to Dubai in the morning. But it's been a pleasure meeting you. 345 00:16:20,646 --> 00:16:23,607 -Are we good? For real? -We're good. Of course we're good. 346 00:16:23,691 --> 00:16:25,526 'Cause sometimes I'm not too sure. 347 00:16:25,609 --> 00:16:28,028 It's a shame I couldn't stay out later, but I need to sleep. 348 00:16:28,112 --> 00:16:29,989 -See you later. -Thanks a lot. See you later. 349 00:16:30,072 --> 00:16:31,407 -See you later. -See you later. 350 00:16:31,907 --> 00:16:34,660 -[Harrison] See you later, OC, yeah? -[tense music playing] 351 00:16:34,743 --> 00:16:35,744 All right. 352 00:16:35,828 --> 00:16:37,830 A lot of you people on TikTok are saying, 353 00:16:37,913 --> 00:16:40,791 "Oh, Louis Theroux's gonna finish you in this documentary." 354 00:16:40,874 --> 00:16:45,212 [Louis] In the days after I left HS, he seemed to brood on our encounter. 355 00:16:45,295 --> 00:16:47,756 I was struck by his level of suspicion. 356 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,552 Maybe that's his game, to act like he's your mate and then just fuck you. 357 00:16:51,635 --> 00:16:53,053 You know, it probably is. 358 00:16:53,637 --> 00:16:54,847 But I was also curious 359 00:16:54,930 --> 00:16:57,474 about this strange new world he seemed to embody, 360 00:16:58,100 --> 00:17:01,895 using extreme content with global reach to sell products. 361 00:17:01,979 --> 00:17:04,606 If you're watching this, and you wanna level your life up, 362 00:17:04,690 --> 00:17:08,277 you wanna be free, send a message to the app below right now. 363 00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:10,320 [Louis] I looked into his investment group. 364 00:17:10,404 --> 00:17:13,866 The broker firms he promoted received terrible reviews. 365 00:17:13,949 --> 00:17:16,535 Don't ever say that I'm a scammer. Don't ever say… 366 00:17:16,618 --> 00:17:19,079 [Louis] HS takes a cut of whatever you put in, 367 00:17:19,163 --> 00:17:20,706 even if you lose money. 368 00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:21,832 …and I show you. 369 00:17:22,332 --> 00:17:25,461 [Louis] I opened an account and put in £500. 370 00:17:25,544 --> 00:17:27,546 [lively music playing] 371 00:17:31,467 --> 00:17:34,762 [Louis] I'd been learning about his ideological forefathers, 372 00:17:34,845 --> 00:17:37,347 the community of ultra-masculine influencers 373 00:17:37,431 --> 00:17:39,224 sometimes called the manosphere. 374 00:17:40,809 --> 00:17:44,313 And so I'd come to its spiritual home, Miami. 375 00:17:45,773 --> 00:17:47,274 Much of the manosphere is made up 376 00:17:47,357 --> 00:17:51,236 of relatively uncontroversial comedians and podcasters 377 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:56,325 who broadcast about women, fitness, and wealth to a mainly male audience. 378 00:17:57,367 --> 00:18:01,455 But at its edges is a community of more extreme content creators. 379 00:18:04,416 --> 00:18:08,170 It was this world and its motivations I was most intrigued by. 380 00:18:08,962 --> 00:18:10,964 Gentlemen, how are you guys doing? 381 00:18:11,048 --> 00:18:12,549 -[Louis] How are you? -Good to see you. 382 00:18:12,633 --> 00:18:14,718 -Louis. Nice to meet you. -Justin Waller. Very nice. 383 00:18:14,802 --> 00:18:17,304 -Thanks. You look like a million bucks. -Ah. 384 00:18:17,387 --> 00:18:19,681 -Maybe half a million. Maybe half. -[laughs] 385 00:18:25,312 --> 00:18:27,147 [Louis] Justin Waller is a businessman 386 00:18:27,231 --> 00:18:30,400 and success coach from Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 387 00:18:30,484 --> 00:18:33,112 with more than a million followers on Instagram. 388 00:18:34,154 --> 00:18:37,825 [Justin] I give the best advice I can possibly give to young men. 389 00:18:37,908 --> 00:18:39,743 Women aren't as feminist as you think. 390 00:18:39,827 --> 00:18:42,788 You think she won't leave you for that buff dude? Promise you she will. 391 00:18:42,871 --> 00:18:46,125 Most women don't know what they want, and I don't think it's their fault. 392 00:18:46,208 --> 00:18:49,211 [Louis] He shares pictures of himself in sharp, tailored suits 393 00:18:49,294 --> 00:18:51,713 with big muscles and expensive watches. 394 00:18:51,797 --> 00:18:55,759 This, in turn, funnels his fans to business-advice products. 395 00:18:55,843 --> 00:18:57,136 In his media appearances, 396 00:18:57,219 --> 00:19:01,390 he often mentions his lifestyle of romance with multiple partners. 397 00:19:01,473 --> 00:19:03,433 I love women. Let me be clear about this. 398 00:19:03,517 --> 00:19:06,436 In fact, I have quite the reputation for loving 'em too much. 399 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:07,688 Yeah! 400 00:19:12,943 --> 00:19:14,862 Nice. Very nice. 401 00:19:14,945 --> 00:19:19,032 Okay, but let me be very clear about it. That car is not success. I wanna say that. 402 00:19:19,116 --> 00:19:21,577 -[Louis] Mm-hmm. -That car… Fuck that car. 403 00:19:21,660 --> 00:19:23,453 I might be an asshole in some areas, 404 00:19:23,537 --> 00:19:26,206 or people might not agree with some views I have, 405 00:19:26,290 --> 00:19:28,542 but I'm not so foolish to believe that's success. 406 00:19:28,625 --> 00:19:31,420 -So let's not make too big a thing of it. -Just on the record. 407 00:19:31,503 --> 00:19:34,339 -I got it. Thank you. -'Cause I don't. That's all. Yes, sir. 408 00:19:34,423 --> 00:19:35,841 I've left my phone upstairs. 409 00:19:35,924 --> 00:19:37,384 -Wanna come with me? -[Louis] Why not? 410 00:19:39,136 --> 00:19:41,180 -[Justin] My girl. -Hi. 411 00:19:42,931 --> 00:19:44,308 [Louis] Wow, this is a nice spot. 412 00:19:44,391 --> 00:19:46,059 -Beautiful at dusk. -[Louis] I bet. 413 00:19:46,143 --> 00:19:47,686 Yeah. Beautiful at dusk. 414 00:19:47,769 --> 00:19:49,146 But this is my small place. 415 00:19:49,229 --> 00:19:51,857 This is kinda where I go to get away and do all my work. 416 00:19:51,940 --> 00:19:54,318 My kids and everybody, they're in Aventura. 417 00:19:54,401 --> 00:19:56,028 -It's very friendly-friendly. -Mm-hm. 418 00:19:56,111 --> 00:19:57,112 Family-friendly. 419 00:19:57,196 --> 00:19:59,740 -So, how many kids have you got? -I've got… I've got some. 420 00:19:59,823 --> 00:20:00,824 Yeah. 421 00:20:00,908 --> 00:20:03,160 -You know how many you've got, right? -Yeah. I think so. 422 00:20:03,243 --> 00:20:04,161 What's the number? 423 00:20:04,244 --> 00:20:06,663 It's two. I have two. Yeah, I got two little girls. 424 00:20:06,747 --> 00:20:08,999 -Are you with their mum? -Yes. 425 00:20:09,082 --> 00:20:10,459 -Yeah. -Absolutely. Yeah. 426 00:20:10,542 --> 00:20:12,044 -Are you married? -No. 427 00:20:12,586 --> 00:20:14,463 I'm gonna get smoke for this. I always do. 428 00:20:14,546 --> 00:20:16,882 Everybody gets mad when they ask about my relationship. 429 00:20:16,965 --> 00:20:19,509 Are you saying you're not in a monogamous relationship? 430 00:20:20,010 --> 00:20:22,054 -One-sided monogamy. Yeah. -Mm-hmm. 431 00:20:22,137 --> 00:20:24,932 Women don't wanna sleep with other men when they love a man. 432 00:20:25,015 --> 00:20:26,683 One-sided monogamy means what? 433 00:20:26,767 --> 00:20:28,143 It means like… 434 00:20:28,227 --> 00:20:32,272 See, here we go. Here we go. Setting me up. 435 00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:37,277 My… The mother of my children, the woman that I'm with, 436 00:20:37,361 --> 00:20:39,196 she doesn't talk to other men. 437 00:20:39,279 --> 00:20:40,405 So… 438 00:20:42,991 --> 00:20:44,284 Stings, huh? 439 00:20:45,452 --> 00:20:47,246 -You seem upset by it. -It doesn't sting. 440 00:20:47,329 --> 00:20:49,665 You seem upset by it. People get so upset about this. 441 00:20:49,748 --> 00:20:53,585 It's interesting you thought I was upset. I just thought it was a resonant moment. 442 00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:56,964 I notice that people get very angry with me about this subject. 443 00:20:57,047 --> 00:21:00,425 -Do I seem angry? -No, but you do seem to be digging. 444 00:21:00,509 --> 00:21:02,177 -[laughs] -So… 445 00:21:03,762 --> 00:21:06,056 -We gotta get into some real stuff, right? -We should. 446 00:21:06,139 --> 00:21:06,974 -Yeah. -Yeah. 447 00:21:07,057 --> 00:21:09,476 Let me tell you another thing. I don't promote it. 448 00:21:09,559 --> 00:21:12,688 I don't believe that every man should go out and have a bunch of women 449 00:21:12,771 --> 00:21:15,190 or have his wife have threesomes with his girlfriends. 450 00:21:15,274 --> 00:21:17,276 -Now-- -Is that something you do as well? 451 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,736 Yeah, of course. I'm hiding nothing. 452 00:21:20,404 --> 00:21:22,823 -I refuse to. I refuse to. -[chuckles] 453 00:21:23,323 --> 00:21:24,658 I refuse to. 454 00:21:24,741 --> 00:21:26,034 You've made the right decision. 455 00:21:26,118 --> 00:21:29,037 The Real World is the number one school in the world. 456 00:21:29,871 --> 00:21:33,208 Justin also has a Telegram group where he sells subscriptions 457 00:21:33,292 --> 00:21:37,296 to a so-called online university, The Real World, 458 00:21:37,379 --> 00:21:38,505 set up by his close friends, 459 00:21:38,588 --> 00:21:41,633 the infamous brothers Andrew and Tristan Tate, 460 00:21:41,717 --> 00:21:45,012 who have been charged with human trafficking offenses in Romania 461 00:21:45,095 --> 00:21:46,555 but deny the charges. 462 00:21:47,097 --> 00:21:48,974 In the Real World, you learn to make money. 463 00:21:49,057 --> 00:21:51,810 We have 18 professors that are absolutely multimillionaires 464 00:21:51,893 --> 00:21:53,979 in the business they're teaching you in real time. 465 00:21:54,062 --> 00:21:55,188 It's like a cheat code. 466 00:21:55,272 --> 00:21:57,733 A 14-year-old kid made three grand the other day. 467 00:21:57,816 --> 00:22:02,321 I cannot believe this 13-year-old is making more money than his parents. 468 00:22:05,490 --> 00:22:07,659 -I'm in the Telegram group. -Nice. 469 00:22:07,743 --> 00:22:09,328 It says, "Join now." 470 00:22:09,911 --> 00:22:11,788 "Jointherealworld.com." 471 00:22:11,872 --> 00:22:15,834 So, if people click on it and sign up, how much are they gonna pay? 472 00:22:15,917 --> 00:22:18,128 -It's like $50-- -[Justin] $49 a month. $49.99 a month. 473 00:22:18,879 --> 00:22:22,632 And then you get a small sign-up fee? That's part of the model. 474 00:22:22,716 --> 00:22:23,592 Yes, sir. 475 00:22:23,675 --> 00:22:25,677 How had you heard about them? How had you heard-- 476 00:22:25,761 --> 00:22:27,721 YouTube. I saw Andrew on YouTube. 477 00:22:27,804 --> 00:22:30,932 I remember laughing so hard and punching my steering wheel, 478 00:22:31,016 --> 00:22:33,018 and there's a little dent in the Ford logo, 479 00:22:33,101 --> 00:22:36,271 because he was saying things I'd been saying to people for a long time. 480 00:22:36,355 --> 00:22:37,773 Things like what? 481 00:22:37,856 --> 00:22:39,524 A lot of people believe 482 00:22:39,608 --> 00:22:44,029 that men and women want to be equal partners in a relationship. 483 00:22:44,112 --> 00:22:45,280 That's really not true. 484 00:22:45,364 --> 00:22:48,033 You wanna be the hero, the person that saves the day, 485 00:22:48,116 --> 00:22:51,036 that creates a life for them better than any life they could ever have. 486 00:22:55,624 --> 00:22:57,709 I want to go get a tea anyway in Wynwood. 487 00:22:57,793 --> 00:22:59,628 -[Louis] Yeah, let's do that. -All right, cool. 488 00:23:00,337 --> 00:23:02,297 [man] Justin! Justin! Justin! 489 00:23:02,381 --> 00:23:03,298 [Justin] What's up? 490 00:23:03,382 --> 00:23:04,591 -Doing all right? -All right? 491 00:23:04,674 --> 00:23:06,051 -[Justin] How you doing? -Good. 492 00:23:06,134 --> 00:23:07,052 -Thanks, G. -[man] Nice. 493 00:23:07,135 --> 00:23:08,887 -[Justin] Going for a ride? -[man] I'm down. 494 00:23:08,970 --> 00:23:09,888 [Justin] Let's do it. 495 00:23:09,971 --> 00:23:11,515 What you doing, playboy? 496 00:23:11,598 --> 00:23:16,144 [Louis] Like HS, Justin was attempting to leverage his online notoriety 497 00:23:16,228 --> 00:23:18,480 and a parasocial connection with his male fans… 498 00:23:18,563 --> 00:23:19,523 Take it straight. 499 00:23:19,606 --> 00:23:21,983 …into a marketing opportunity. 500 00:23:22,067 --> 00:23:25,278 -Appreciate it, man. Thank you. -[Justin] You wanna sit and have tea? 501 00:23:25,362 --> 00:23:26,696 -[man] Definitely. -[Justin] Right. 502 00:23:27,322 --> 00:23:28,240 [Louis] Can I say hi? 503 00:23:28,323 --> 00:23:29,199 -Matthew. -Matthew. 504 00:23:29,282 --> 00:23:30,617 -Chris. Yeah. -Chris. Louis. 505 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:32,411 -How do you know Justin? -I see his videos. 506 00:23:32,494 --> 00:23:35,288 -He's one of my greatest role models. -Yeah. 507 00:23:35,372 --> 00:23:37,582 -You teach a lot of… -100%. Him, Andrew Tate. 508 00:23:37,666 --> 00:23:39,584 -Andrew Tate, yeah. -Tristan Tate, the brothers… 509 00:23:39,668 --> 00:23:42,504 They're all… They're all a big inspiration to all of us. 510 00:23:42,587 --> 00:23:44,339 What's the message? What do you get from it? 511 00:23:44,423 --> 00:23:46,091 I just think it's to never give up. 512 00:23:46,174 --> 00:23:50,387 Life as a man, you're born without value. We have to build that value. 513 00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:53,140 What do you mean, life as a man, you're born without value? 514 00:23:53,223 --> 00:23:54,307 It's… 515 00:23:54,391 --> 00:23:56,101 Nothing in the world is given to you. 516 00:23:56,184 --> 00:23:58,019 -You have to work for every penny. -100%. 517 00:23:58,103 --> 00:24:00,021 -Do women have it hard? -[Matthew] I think… 518 00:24:00,105 --> 00:24:02,899 -They're born with value through beauty. -Exactly. 519 00:24:02,983 --> 00:24:05,861 Because a woman can be stunningly beautiful at 20 years old 520 00:24:05,944 --> 00:24:08,864 and get invited to ride in that car, or onto a boat, 521 00:24:08,947 --> 00:24:11,741 or be flying to Miami or whatever because it's pure beauty. 522 00:24:11,825 --> 00:24:15,287 Nobody's gonna invite him on a trip to Miami. 523 00:24:15,370 --> 00:24:16,830 They're not gonna fly him out. 524 00:24:16,913 --> 00:24:20,333 He has to create value in the world. He has to be valuable to other men. 525 00:24:20,417 --> 00:24:22,085 -Exactly. -Otherwise, nobody cares. 526 00:24:22,169 --> 00:24:24,045 -Exactly. You said it. -And that's a fact. 527 00:24:24,129 --> 00:24:26,882 I wanna say to your face, thank you so much. Like… 528 00:24:26,965 --> 00:24:29,676 For me, you're one of my biggest role models, man. 529 00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:32,846 Two things I tell anybody that stops me. Number one, I love you. 530 00:24:32,929 --> 00:24:33,805 -Yeah. -Appreciate it. 531 00:24:33,889 --> 00:24:36,349 And there's nothing in this world you can't do. 532 00:24:36,433 --> 00:24:37,767 We're in this shit together. 533 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:44,566 I get stopped every day by a young man that tells me that I changed his life. 534 00:24:45,150 --> 00:24:47,277 [Louis] The content put out by Justin and his peers 535 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,905 pushes an ideology known as the red pill. 536 00:24:49,988 --> 00:24:54,326 And you see the amount of bullshit the modern Western man has to put up with? 537 00:24:55,452 --> 00:24:58,163 They take the phrase from the movie The Matrix. 538 00:24:58,246 --> 00:25:00,499 What is the red pill? Can you explain this to me? 539 00:25:00,582 --> 00:25:02,626 It's seeing the truth for what it really is. 540 00:25:03,418 --> 00:25:06,588 [Louis] Claiming to have seen through the mainstream media's brainwashing 541 00:25:06,671 --> 00:25:09,883 about gender relations and its discrimination against men. 542 00:25:09,966 --> 00:25:11,635 Red pill aware. This is what it is. 543 00:25:11,718 --> 00:25:15,972 The red pill is a necessary antidote and counterweight to feminism. 544 00:25:16,056 --> 00:25:18,975 [Louis] In the unregulated new media landscape, 545 00:25:19,059 --> 00:25:22,145 they share their unfiltered views on hundreds of podcasts, 546 00:25:22,229 --> 00:25:24,731 which are clipped up and disseminated across the internet. 547 00:25:24,814 --> 00:25:26,024 Those stories are always there. 548 00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:32,489 [Louis] I was on my way to an appointment with one of its most notorious figures, 549 00:25:32,572 --> 00:25:33,949 Amrou Fudl. 550 00:25:34,491 --> 00:25:37,160 You are born with your value. We must create our value. 551 00:25:37,244 --> 00:25:38,787 How are we born with our value? 552 00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:41,373 You literally have a vagina and titties. You are born with value. 553 00:25:41,456 --> 00:25:42,499 Like, you're dead! 554 00:25:42,582 --> 00:25:45,293 [Louis] A former agent for the Department of Homeland Security, 555 00:25:45,377 --> 00:25:48,421 about five years ago, he took to streaming and podcasting 556 00:25:48,505 --> 00:25:51,883 under the name Myron Gaines, amassing a huge following. 557 00:25:51,967 --> 00:25:53,260 I don't think women should vote. 558 00:25:53,343 --> 00:25:55,845 I don't think women should be in the military or law enforcement. 559 00:25:55,929 --> 00:25:57,264 [Louis] Like Justin, he boasts 560 00:25:57,347 --> 00:26:01,184 about his one-way monogamous relationship with his girlfriend. 561 00:26:01,268 --> 00:26:03,812 I do what the **** I wanna do. She's loyal to me. 562 00:26:03,895 --> 00:26:05,730 It's monogamous on her end, open on my end. 563 00:26:05,814 --> 00:26:08,942 She packs my ******* condoms when I travel. That's how real it is. 564 00:26:15,740 --> 00:26:18,326 -How you doing? Nice to meet you. Louis. -Nice to meet you. 565 00:26:18,410 --> 00:26:20,120 -Myron, right? -Nice to meet you. 566 00:26:20,203 --> 00:26:23,081 [Louis] Myron tends to be suspicious of mainstream media, 567 00:26:23,164 --> 00:26:27,419 but after lengthy access conversations, he'd agreed to meet me at his apartment. 568 00:26:28,086 --> 00:26:29,796 -Here we go. -[Myron] Yeah, right here. 569 00:26:29,879 --> 00:26:33,174 Welcome to the headquarters, gentlemen. This is where we do all the filming. 570 00:26:33,258 --> 00:26:35,218 [Louis] Where do you actually live live, though? 571 00:26:35,302 --> 00:26:38,805 If you're actually just gonna chill with your girlfriend and watch TV? 572 00:26:38,888 --> 00:26:40,807 I got my stuff back over there. 573 00:26:40,890 --> 00:26:42,851 -Are we allowed in there? -I got my room. 574 00:26:42,934 --> 00:26:45,020 Once she comes and cleans, I'll show you guys. [laughs] 575 00:26:45,103 --> 00:26:46,688 -All right. -She's gonna come and clean. 576 00:26:46,771 --> 00:26:49,065 -Wait, can I set up real quick? I wanna… -[Louis] Please. 577 00:26:50,442 --> 00:26:52,777 Recording on my end, but I'm not gonna do anything with it. 578 00:26:52,861 --> 00:26:54,446 -That's fine. -Great. 579 00:26:55,155 --> 00:26:56,531 Is that insurance for you? 580 00:26:56,615 --> 00:26:59,034 Well, here's the thing. When you're controversial, 581 00:26:59,117 --> 00:27:00,910 people try to make hit pieces on you. 582 00:27:00,994 --> 00:27:04,789 This is kind of a big reason why the mainstream media has lost credibility 583 00:27:04,873 --> 00:27:08,126 is because of this disingenuine reporting on individuals. 584 00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:09,919 Got it. Um… 585 00:27:10,003 --> 00:27:13,506 Knowing I was gonna see you today, I sort of went through 586 00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:16,926 some of the more controversial content that you've put out. 587 00:27:17,010 --> 00:27:19,971 -Sure. -Over the last couple years, let's say. 588 00:27:20,055 --> 00:27:21,973 Would you be all right talking about some of that 589 00:27:22,057 --> 00:27:25,310 if I mentioned a few things that, if I'm honest, I was shocked by? 590 00:27:25,393 --> 00:27:26,311 -Sure. -Is that fair? 591 00:27:26,394 --> 00:27:28,313 Then I'm doing my job correctly, then. 592 00:27:28,396 --> 00:27:29,856 -[Louis] Ready? -Yup. 593 00:27:29,939 --> 00:27:31,107 Bitch, we ain't equal! 594 00:27:31,733 --> 00:27:34,569 I'm the dictator. You are the subordinate. 595 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,530 I dictate when I want to put dick in you, bitch. 596 00:27:37,614 --> 00:27:40,867 And then you dictate when the sandwiches come by my dictation. 597 00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:42,118 That's how this goes. 598 00:27:42,202 --> 00:27:45,789 And women love guys like this, that tell them what it is. 599 00:27:45,872 --> 00:27:49,501 This isn't open to interpretation, or how you feel, or what you think. 600 00:27:49,584 --> 00:27:51,127 It doesn't matter what you think! 601 00:27:51,211 --> 00:27:52,962 "I dictate when I put my dick in you"? 602 00:27:53,046 --> 00:27:55,006 Yeah, yeah. So, do I literally mean, 603 00:27:55,090 --> 00:27:58,009 "Oh, yeah. I want to smash right now, and you're on your period." 604 00:27:58,093 --> 00:28:01,638 And she's like, "I don't wanna do it now." That's fine. Obviously, you don't do it. 605 00:28:01,721 --> 00:28:04,933 But I need guys to have this mindset where it's like you're the leader. 606 00:28:05,016 --> 00:28:07,644 You're assertive, dominant, the dictator of the relationship. 607 00:28:07,727 --> 00:28:08,687 What you say goes. 608 00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:11,773 Do you… do you consider yourself a misogynist? 609 00:28:11,856 --> 00:28:15,652 No, because, um, misogyny would be the hatred of women. I would argue I am… 610 00:28:15,735 --> 00:28:17,987 I… I love women, and actually understand them. 611 00:28:18,071 --> 00:28:21,324 So, since I understand them, I know what's best for them. 612 00:28:21,408 --> 00:28:23,535 You think you know better than they do? 613 00:28:23,618 --> 00:28:25,620 Yes, in many ways. Yeah. That's how women want it. 614 00:28:25,704 --> 00:28:27,831 They want a guy that can lead and dominate them. 615 00:28:27,914 --> 00:28:31,042 -Your girlfriend's named Angie, right? -Yeah. 616 00:28:31,126 --> 00:28:36,005 And then do you have, like, a rotation of other women? 617 00:28:36,506 --> 00:28:38,508 I wouldn't say a rotation, like, right now. 618 00:28:38,591 --> 00:28:41,428 I do… I do want to get multiple wives, but right now, 619 00:28:41,511 --> 00:28:44,848 I'm just focusing on building things up for this year, especially. 620 00:28:44,931 --> 00:28:46,558 Multiple wives, really? 621 00:28:46,641 --> 00:28:48,226 Oh, hey, there's Angie right there. 622 00:28:48,309 --> 00:28:49,394 Should we meet Angie? 623 00:28:49,477 --> 00:28:50,937 Uh, yeah. She's, uh… 624 00:28:51,020 --> 00:28:52,689 Angie, can we say hi? 625 00:28:52,772 --> 00:28:56,025 -[giggles] Hi! -We'll keep it short, though, for her. 626 00:28:56,109 --> 00:28:58,611 Hi. Louis. Nice to meet you. How do you do? 627 00:28:58,695 --> 00:29:00,113 I'm doing okay. Yeah. 628 00:29:00,196 --> 00:29:02,365 What attracted you to Myron? 629 00:29:02,449 --> 00:29:06,536 I say to my friends and to people that always question our relationship 630 00:29:06,619 --> 00:29:09,831 that Myron is somebody in front of the cameras, 631 00:29:09,914 --> 00:29:12,542 but behind them is somebody else with me, 632 00:29:12,625 --> 00:29:14,210 and I love him very much, 633 00:29:14,294 --> 00:29:17,547 and I will love him as long as we're together. 634 00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:18,631 -Come here, baby. -Yeah. 635 00:29:18,715 --> 00:29:21,217 -Five stars on Yelp. -Yeah, five stars? 636 00:29:21,301 --> 00:29:24,345 Yeah. Five stars on Yelp, yeah. 637 00:29:24,429 --> 00:29:25,972 -Yeah. -Yeah. 638 00:29:26,681 --> 00:29:31,227 But no, I'm happy to have her by my side. She's been great, really helpful. 639 00:29:31,311 --> 00:29:35,190 So, one of the things we've been talking about is relations between men and women. 640 00:29:35,273 --> 00:29:38,943 Myron's been quite open about the fact that he expects to be in a relationship 641 00:29:39,027 --> 00:29:41,654 in which there's one-way monogamy, as he calls it. 642 00:29:41,738 --> 00:29:44,115 He's allowed to basically pursue other relationships… 643 00:29:44,199 --> 00:29:47,076 -[Angie] So, our open relationship? -Mm-hmm. But you're not. 644 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,661 [Angie] The women that he sleeps with, 645 00:29:48,745 --> 00:29:52,040 he's just gonna be with them for a night or so or whatever, 646 00:29:52,123 --> 00:29:54,834 but I don't… I don't think he sees me that way because I… 647 00:29:54,918 --> 00:29:57,712 There is a reason why I've stayed so long with him. 648 00:29:57,796 --> 00:30:00,715 -I don't wanna mix things up between you. -Yeah. 649 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,301 But we were talking about, in the future, maybe there's a world 650 00:30:03,384 --> 00:30:05,595 where you would have more than one wife, right? 651 00:30:05,678 --> 00:30:06,596 She understands that. 652 00:30:06,679 --> 00:30:09,349 She knows that that could potentially come down in the future. 653 00:30:09,432 --> 00:30:10,850 What do you say about that? 654 00:30:11,351 --> 00:30:13,603 Uh, I don't know. 655 00:30:13,686 --> 00:30:16,105 I mean, he has said that in the past. 656 00:30:16,189 --> 00:30:19,025 Uh, I think when… I'll see when it happens. 657 00:30:19,108 --> 00:30:22,403 Like, I don't know how that will work. The thing is that I think-- 658 00:30:22,487 --> 00:30:26,658 But it's not gonna be anytime soon because I'm just so focused on working. 659 00:30:26,741 --> 00:30:28,201 -But it could happen? -It could. 660 00:30:28,284 --> 00:30:30,286 You can kick it down the road only so long. 661 00:30:30,370 --> 00:30:34,249 She's put two years into a relationship. If that's your long-term plan, 662 00:30:34,332 --> 00:30:36,918 at some point, those two realities will collide. 663 00:30:37,001 --> 00:30:39,212 That's a bridge we'll cross when we get there. Now-- 664 00:30:39,295 --> 00:30:40,964 What does that mean? That's so avoidant. 665 00:30:41,047 --> 00:30:43,424 -It's something… You never know, man. -It's just-- 666 00:30:43,508 --> 00:30:45,343 You can always change your mind down the road. 667 00:30:45,426 --> 00:30:47,846 Who knows? Maybe I'll say I only wanna be with one girl 668 00:30:47,929 --> 00:30:49,097 'cause two would be too tough. 669 00:30:49,180 --> 00:30:51,057 You've backtracked on that already? 670 00:30:51,641 --> 00:30:54,310 Some people in this part of the culture, right, 671 00:30:54,394 --> 00:30:57,689 who advocates for the idea of the 1% male, that ultimate masculine… 672 00:30:57,772 --> 00:30:59,566 -Can you take him into the room? -Sure. 673 00:30:59,649 --> 00:31:01,609 -That he's some-- -Frank, go with her. Sorry. 674 00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:04,362 Also, I need… If you could clean up the room too. 675 00:31:04,445 --> 00:31:06,364 -Yeah. -I need some help, yeah, with that. 676 00:31:07,323 --> 00:31:09,659 Was that okay, by the way? I always feel weird like… 677 00:31:09,742 --> 00:31:11,536 -No. It's cool. -It's awkward, though. 678 00:31:11,619 --> 00:31:13,997 -No. I-- -What did you feel? It felt awkward. 679 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,833 No, not at all. No. Angie, like… She's with me-- 680 00:31:16,916 --> 00:31:19,544 I don't think she's as on board as you are. 681 00:31:20,336 --> 00:31:23,339 -[chuckles] On board with what? -[Louis] You know what. 682 00:31:23,423 --> 00:31:27,635 -Just the idea of other ladies. -No, we've had these discussions. 683 00:31:27,719 --> 00:31:29,596 -I saw a little bit of pain in her. -No. 684 00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:30,972 -No, definitely. -No. 685 00:31:31,055 --> 00:31:32,056 -Yes. -No. 686 00:31:32,140 --> 00:31:34,225 -Definitely. Yeah. -No, no. She's fine. 687 00:31:34,309 --> 00:31:37,687 You don't think if I said to her, "You would have Myron all to yourself, 688 00:31:37,770 --> 00:31:38,980 would you rather have that?" 689 00:31:39,063 --> 00:31:41,190 You don't think she would say, "100%, of course"? 690 00:31:41,274 --> 00:31:43,860 She'd say, "Whatever makes him happy." That's what she would say. 691 00:31:43,943 --> 00:31:47,864 You know, the time I do have, I spend with her if I'm with any woman. 692 00:31:47,947 --> 00:31:49,657 [intense music playing] 693 00:32:01,002 --> 00:32:03,004 Is that open? You've locked it. 694 00:32:03,087 --> 00:32:04,297 No, I didn't. 695 00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:08,259 -Thank you. -Yeah, no. 696 00:32:08,343 --> 00:32:10,094 I wasn't fucking with you, though. 697 00:32:10,803 --> 00:32:13,556 [Louis] I'd been hoping to understand a little more about Justin 698 00:32:14,641 --> 00:32:17,435 and how he came to believe what he believed. 699 00:32:17,518 --> 00:32:21,773 [Justin] I think a lot of people assume that I'm unhappy and I'll never know love. 700 00:32:21,856 --> 00:32:25,401 -[Louis] Why would they assume that? -'Cause of my views or sexual preference. 701 00:32:25,485 --> 00:32:27,862 If me and my wife have a bunch of girlfriends, 702 00:32:27,946 --> 00:32:30,198 or let's say three or four girlfriends, 703 00:32:30,698 --> 00:32:33,660 then all of a sudden, somehow, I must not be happy. 704 00:32:34,243 --> 00:32:38,706 There's a few of 'em that are die-hard, tattooing my name on 'em. 705 00:32:38,790 --> 00:32:40,333 Why would they do that? 706 00:32:40,416 --> 00:32:42,961 -Why would they do what? -Tattoo your name on them. 707 00:32:43,044 --> 00:32:45,672 Probably 'cause they saw it on my… my wife. 708 00:32:50,551 --> 00:32:53,262 [Louis] I'd done some digging into Justin's background, 709 00:32:53,346 --> 00:32:56,140 growing up in a small town in Louisiana. 710 00:33:02,730 --> 00:33:07,610 [Louis] Becoming a college football star, then founding RedIron Construction. 711 00:33:07,694 --> 00:33:11,656 He leveraged his image as a steel magnate into podcast appearances. 712 00:33:17,787 --> 00:33:22,041 [Louis] But how much of it was exactly as described was hard to know. 713 00:33:23,084 --> 00:33:25,211 [man] My man! How y'all doing? 714 00:33:25,294 --> 00:33:27,672 [Louis] He'd offered to show me his main apartment, 715 00:33:27,755 --> 00:33:30,258 where he lived with his other half and their two daughters. 716 00:33:30,925 --> 00:33:34,220 Your wife, you prefer she's kept off-camera, correct? 717 00:33:34,303 --> 00:33:36,222 -1,000%. -And the kids too. 718 00:33:36,305 --> 00:33:38,307 I wanna protect my family, you know? 719 00:33:38,391 --> 00:33:40,435 Like any man would wanna protect his family. 720 00:33:40,518 --> 00:33:43,771 [Louis] They'd all moved there a few months earlier from Baton Rouge 721 00:33:43,855 --> 00:33:46,649 while Justin tried to grow his social media brand 722 00:33:46,733 --> 00:33:49,360 and build contacts with Trump's inner circle. 723 00:33:49,444 --> 00:33:50,820 [Justin] I had dinner with Barron. 724 00:33:50,903 --> 00:33:52,280 -[Louis] Where? -At Mar-a-Lago. 725 00:33:52,363 --> 00:33:54,907 -[Louis] At Mar-a-Lago? Did you? -I met Donald that night. Yeah. 726 00:33:54,991 --> 00:33:57,785 But I've been to Mar-a-Lago four or five times. 727 00:33:59,495 --> 00:34:01,998 -These windows are incredible. -It's beautiful. 728 00:34:02,081 --> 00:34:04,417 [Louis] How much did it set you back? 729 00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:06,210 -This? -Or is it a rental? 730 00:34:06,919 --> 00:34:08,671 Oh no, I rent this place. 731 00:34:08,755 --> 00:34:10,798 By the time I pay all the bills, 20 grand a month. 732 00:34:10,882 --> 00:34:13,259 How much are you worth, would you say? 733 00:34:13,342 --> 00:34:16,846 The last time I checked, it was well over 30. 734 00:34:16,929 --> 00:34:19,057 -Thirty…? -Million. Yeah. 735 00:34:19,140 --> 00:34:22,602 So I'm not as rich as a lot of these guys, but, you know, I'm doing okay. 736 00:34:24,228 --> 00:34:26,064 You guys gotta see upstairs. 737 00:34:30,735 --> 00:34:32,737 -So-- -[Louis] And that's your pool down there? 738 00:34:32,820 --> 00:34:33,738 [Justin] Yeah. 739 00:34:35,031 --> 00:34:36,699 People ask me, "Why Miami?" 740 00:34:36,783 --> 00:34:39,243 And I tell 'em because, if it was 120 years ago, 741 00:34:39,327 --> 00:34:43,122 I'd be on a horse on the way to California to dig for gold. It's in me. I love it. 742 00:34:43,206 --> 00:34:48,169 It feels like, whether you call it the red pill community or the manosphere, 743 00:34:48,252 --> 00:34:51,255 that it's seeking to maybe correct something, 744 00:34:51,339 --> 00:34:54,592 to redress a change in the culture. 745 00:34:55,093 --> 00:34:59,680 I believe that the world really took a swing in the wrong direction 746 00:34:59,764 --> 00:35:02,809 when it comes to it being acceptable 747 00:35:02,892 --> 00:35:06,771 for a man to have a masculine energy about him, to be strong. 748 00:35:06,854 --> 00:35:08,272 It got called toxic. 749 00:35:08,356 --> 00:35:12,777 And you mix that with feminism, and we've asked women to become men. 750 00:35:13,569 --> 00:35:17,323 You know, men build… invent, build, and maintain society. 751 00:35:17,406 --> 00:35:19,867 That's a fact, you know, and… and… 752 00:35:19,951 --> 00:35:23,955 -Don't women do that too? -Uh, I don't… Look around. 753 00:35:24,038 --> 00:35:27,834 Can you name anything that a woman has invented and built in our plain sight? 754 00:35:27,917 --> 00:35:30,336 -Around here? -Nothing. 755 00:35:30,419 --> 00:35:33,798 Men built all these buildings. They engineered 'em. They designed them. 756 00:35:33,881 --> 00:35:35,258 Do we definitely know that? 757 00:35:35,341 --> 00:35:37,385 -It is a fact. -There are many-- 758 00:35:37,468 --> 00:35:40,513 There's nothing wrong with that, though. That's the other point. 759 00:35:40,596 --> 00:35:43,224 People think that we don't like women. I love women. 760 00:35:43,307 --> 00:35:46,811 Are you okay with girls, women wanting to be 761 00:35:46,894 --> 00:35:50,439 -architects, astronauts, entrepreneurs? -Absolutely. Hell, yeah. 762 00:35:50,523 --> 00:35:52,150 If that's what they want. 763 00:35:52,233 --> 00:35:55,653 -But you think they don't want that. -I think some of them do. 764 00:35:55,736 --> 00:35:57,697 But I think, by and largely, 765 00:35:57,780 --> 00:36:01,200 these women are looking for husbands and want to have families. 766 00:36:02,660 --> 00:36:05,204 You're not a tall guy, and you take care of fitness, 767 00:36:05,288 --> 00:36:07,832 and you have a certain reputation in your town, 768 00:36:07,915 --> 00:36:09,959 and you make money, I'll be fucking damned 769 00:36:10,042 --> 00:36:13,129 if you can't have one of the finest women in that town or maybe two. 770 00:36:13,212 --> 00:36:15,923 Maybe you don't come to Miami and pull Miami tens, 771 00:36:16,007 --> 00:36:19,093 but I'll be damned if you can't pull a couple eights or nines 772 00:36:19,177 --> 00:36:20,511 in a small town in America. 773 00:36:20,595 --> 00:36:22,763 And I know this 'cause I've built steel buildings 774 00:36:22,847 --> 00:36:24,140 all over the fucking country. 775 00:36:24,223 --> 00:36:25,349 They are there, bro. 776 00:36:25,433 --> 00:36:28,644 Nothing in this world can stop you from getting what you want. 777 00:36:28,728 --> 00:36:31,063 You just have to nut the fuck up and go get it. 778 00:36:31,147 --> 00:36:32,148 Yeah. 779 00:36:32,231 --> 00:36:34,442 -He says you just have to… -Man up. 780 00:36:34,525 --> 00:36:36,110 Did he say, "Nut the fuck up"? 781 00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:37,528 -Shut up and nut up. -Yeah. 782 00:36:37,612 --> 00:36:39,989 -[Louis] Shut up and nut up? -It's tough love. 783 00:36:40,072 --> 00:36:42,950 At a Miami beach, I was with Mattie and Chris, 784 00:36:43,034 --> 00:36:45,953 the two fans of Justin's I'd met at the tea place. 785 00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:47,872 I was hoping to understand a little more 786 00:36:47,955 --> 00:36:51,250 of what they appreciated in the manosphere content. 787 00:36:51,334 --> 00:36:53,628 [Matthew] That mindset of Justin Waller, 788 00:36:53,711 --> 00:36:55,755 it inspires young men, especially like myself, 789 00:36:55,838 --> 00:36:58,424 who maybe didn't have that male figure in the house. 790 00:36:58,507 --> 00:37:00,635 As a man, nobody's gonna give you a handout. 791 00:37:00,718 --> 00:37:02,595 If I'm living in the street, 792 00:37:02,678 --> 00:37:04,931 why am I gonna wait for somebody to fix my life 793 00:37:05,014 --> 00:37:06,307 when I can fix my own life? 794 00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:08,142 -This hand gesture… -[Matthew] Yeah. 795 00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:11,520 I've seen Andrew Tate doing that in interviews. I never knew what it meant. 796 00:37:11,604 --> 00:37:13,731 -It's to do with the matrix? -[Matthew] Yeah. 797 00:37:13,814 --> 00:37:17,568 [Louis] Do you know… There's a term called the matrix. 798 00:37:17,652 --> 00:37:23,866 So, basically, yes, we're… we're born to… to just accept what society gives to you. 799 00:37:24,367 --> 00:37:27,662 And what he promotes is saying that, no, you have to refuse it. 800 00:37:27,745 --> 00:37:30,706 Refuse that, and you accomplish your own goals. 801 00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:33,501 I'm going to help my mother. I'm gonna give generational wealth 802 00:37:33,584 --> 00:37:34,877 to my kids, to my mother, 803 00:37:34,961 --> 00:37:38,464 to my… to everybody else, and there's nothing that can hold me back. 804 00:37:38,547 --> 00:37:40,883 -No 9-to-5 job is gonna give you that. -Exactly. 805 00:37:40,967 --> 00:37:43,219 -That's "the matrix." -That's "the matrix," the job. 806 00:37:43,302 --> 00:37:44,637 -That box. -That box. 807 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:46,681 That you're going to work every day, 808 00:37:46,764 --> 00:37:49,934 and you're sacrificing a better life for you and your loved ones. 809 00:37:50,017 --> 00:37:51,978 People don't want to… 810 00:37:53,271 --> 00:37:55,773 They don't wanna see, like, an empowerment of men. 811 00:37:55,856 --> 00:37:56,816 'Cause it's a threat. 812 00:37:56,899 --> 00:37:58,818 [ominous music playing] 813 00:38:05,449 --> 00:38:08,661 [Louis] Mattie had moved to Miami two years earlier to make it big, 814 00:38:08,744 --> 00:38:10,454 but it hadn't been easy. 815 00:38:10,538 --> 00:38:11,539 [Chris] Come on. 816 00:38:12,164 --> 00:38:14,458 Recently, he'd been homeless. 817 00:38:15,126 --> 00:38:17,128 You were in your car for a while, living in your car? 818 00:38:17,211 --> 00:38:18,462 Yeah. That was in the past, 819 00:38:18,546 --> 00:38:21,424 but lucky enough that, uh… that God pulled me out of that. 820 00:38:21,507 --> 00:38:24,844 I was feeling sorry for myself. I was like, I'm in a losing position, 821 00:38:24,927 --> 00:38:26,262 and I'm crying every night. 822 00:38:26,345 --> 00:38:29,181 I have no food to eat. But I could do one of two things. 823 00:38:29,265 --> 00:38:33,811 Either keep complaining about my position or start thinking solutions-based. 824 00:38:33,894 --> 00:38:35,980 Maybe start changing the perspective, how I see it. 825 00:38:36,063 --> 00:38:39,734 Maybe… As men, we're meant to suffer. We're not meant to be happy. 826 00:38:39,817 --> 00:38:42,111 We learn more in our failures than in our wins. 827 00:38:42,611 --> 00:38:45,114 -And we don't believe in depression also. -[Louis] Meaning? 828 00:38:45,197 --> 00:38:46,324 We don't believe in it. 829 00:38:46,407 --> 00:38:48,659 You know, the average person that has everything 830 00:38:48,743 --> 00:38:51,287 that they need to exceed in life, yet you're still depressed, 831 00:38:51,370 --> 00:38:53,247 yet you're still feeling sorry for yourself… 832 00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:54,665 Like, you have the tools you need. 833 00:38:54,749 --> 00:38:56,667 My brother passed away. 834 00:38:56,751 --> 00:38:58,127 I had moments where I was sad, 835 00:38:58,210 --> 00:39:00,379 but I tried to turn it into something positive. 836 00:39:00,463 --> 00:39:02,381 -[Louis] How did he die? -Um… 837 00:39:02,882 --> 00:39:06,469 He… he took his own life. But what I'm saying is that's in the past. 838 00:39:06,552 --> 00:39:08,012 And I have to use that, 839 00:39:08,095 --> 00:39:11,891 and I have to become great, not only for myself, but for my brother. 840 00:39:16,812 --> 00:39:19,273 [Louis] For the first time, I felt I'd had an insight 841 00:39:19,357 --> 00:39:23,694 into how the masculinist messaging offered direction and a sense of hope 842 00:39:23,778 --> 00:39:25,988 to people facing difficulties. 843 00:39:28,282 --> 00:39:32,203 But I was also struck by the distrust that came with it. 844 00:39:32,286 --> 00:39:37,708 The idea of a matrix purposely designed to make men fail. 845 00:39:39,001 --> 00:39:40,669 -[Louis] How's it looking? -Looks great. 846 00:39:41,170 --> 00:39:43,172 [unsettling music playing] 847 00:39:50,763 --> 00:39:53,265 Smartest dog in Miami right here, this guy. 848 00:39:53,849 --> 00:39:56,602 [Louis] I'd arranged to go on Myron's podcast. 849 00:39:58,479 --> 00:39:59,772 Frank, open the door. 850 00:40:00,481 --> 00:40:02,024 [Louis] Given it is widely viewed 851 00:40:02,108 --> 00:40:05,861 as one of the most poisonous shows in the entire manosphere, 852 00:40:05,945 --> 00:40:09,573 it wasn't a straightforward decision, but I'd felt it was important 853 00:40:09,657 --> 00:40:12,535 to see him at work and get a sense of his audience. 854 00:40:12,618 --> 00:40:14,537 -Walter. -Louis. How are you doing? 855 00:40:14,620 --> 00:40:17,248 [Louis] He'd taken some persuading to let me back. 856 00:40:17,331 --> 00:40:20,751 He'd been unhappy about the interview with his girlfriend Angie. 857 00:40:22,044 --> 00:40:24,922 [Myron] If you guys want anything to drink, just ask one of the ladies. 858 00:40:25,005 --> 00:40:29,051 [Louis] I would be appearing on a section called Fresh&Fit AfterHours… 859 00:40:29,135 --> 00:40:32,763 You understand that if you're a fat woman, you're effectively useless in life. 860 00:40:32,847 --> 00:40:36,934 …where Myron and his cohost, Walter, spar with local female influencers. 861 00:40:37,017 --> 00:40:38,978 -You're huge. Not attractive. -'Cause… Got it. 862 00:40:39,061 --> 00:40:43,023 For you to behave the way that you do is a fucking embarrassment to society. 863 00:40:43,107 --> 00:40:45,443 You fat fuckin' bitch. Get the fuck out my studio. 864 00:40:45,526 --> 00:40:47,278 -Go back to your bitch-ass husband. -Let's go! 865 00:40:47,361 --> 00:40:49,363 Get the fuck up outta here. You're an embarrassment. 866 00:40:50,072 --> 00:40:52,700 Three, two, one. 867 00:40:54,285 --> 00:40:57,413 And we are live. What's up, guys? Welcome to the Fresh&Fit podcast. 868 00:40:57,496 --> 00:40:59,999 We're here with special guest Stirling Cooper, back in the house! 869 00:41:00,082 --> 00:41:03,836 [Louis] Tonight, the stream started with Myron talking to a dating coach 870 00:41:03,919 --> 00:41:07,214 and penis extension expert named Stirling Cooper. 871 00:41:07,298 --> 00:41:10,759 Uh, so I used to be a porn star. Started my own YouTube channel. 872 00:41:10,843 --> 00:41:13,679 Started teaching guys how to fix problems in the bedroom 873 00:41:13,762 --> 00:41:17,433 and how to, yeah, dick their girl down properly. 874 00:41:17,516 --> 00:41:20,436 Giving her what she really wants, like, subconsciously. 875 00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:23,731 Let's be honest here. Everything about female nature is a lie. 876 00:41:23,814 --> 00:41:25,149 They wear makeup. 877 00:41:25,232 --> 00:41:26,901 You don't know when they're on their period. 878 00:41:26,984 --> 00:41:28,777 They don't really show attention to you. 879 00:41:29,653 --> 00:41:31,405 [Louis] With a few minutes before my segment, 880 00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:34,533 I wandered off to meet the woman who books the girls for the show. 881 00:41:34,617 --> 00:41:37,161 -How you doing? -Hi. Nice to meet you. 882 00:41:37,244 --> 00:41:39,705 -Louis. -Louis, my name's Icy. 883 00:41:39,788 --> 00:41:41,081 -Icy. -I help out with the back. 884 00:41:41,165 --> 00:41:45,711 So, the girls will end up going on Fresh&Fit? On the show? 885 00:41:45,794 --> 00:41:50,508 Yeah. Sometimes we'd get into fights here before when we used to serve alcohol, 886 00:41:50,591 --> 00:41:55,346 and those nights weren't really pretty when the girls got into their emotions. 887 00:41:55,429 --> 00:41:58,057 [Walter] I'm gonna counsel me, 'cause when it comes to women… 888 00:41:58,140 --> 00:42:00,601 So, like, no, my friend. You are a guy. 889 00:42:00,684 --> 00:42:04,313 [Louis] As we continued, Myron became aware of the conversation. 890 00:42:04,897 --> 00:42:07,900 -Don't ask for nudes. Never ask for nudes. -[Walter] Yeah, that's a L. 891 00:42:08,901 --> 00:42:12,196 Oh, I just messed up. 892 00:42:13,781 --> 00:42:16,116 Okay. Um… 893 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,201 You okay? 894 00:42:19,453 --> 00:42:21,372 What happened? Everything all right? 895 00:42:21,455 --> 00:42:23,541 Um, I don't know how to properly say this, 896 00:42:23,624 --> 00:42:26,669 but I cannot answer any more questions anymore. 897 00:42:26,752 --> 00:42:27,795 -[Louis] Oh no. -Yeah. 898 00:42:27,878 --> 00:42:29,421 -Okay. -[Icy] Sorry. 899 00:42:29,505 --> 00:42:30,631 That's all right. 900 00:42:31,715 --> 00:42:33,842 -I appreciate you guys. -All right. No problem. 901 00:42:33,926 --> 00:42:34,927 Thank you. 902 00:42:36,345 --> 00:42:37,596 I'm sorry to make it awkward. 903 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,473 -That's no problem. -But it's not me. 904 00:42:39,557 --> 00:42:41,725 I'm sorry if we've made your life, uh, difficult. 905 00:42:41,809 --> 00:42:45,145 No, no, no. You didn't. You didn't. I'm just not allowed to. That's all. 906 00:42:45,854 --> 00:42:48,482 [Louis] Myron had seemingly shut down Icy. 907 00:42:48,566 --> 00:42:49,733 Tell her to go downstairs too. 908 00:42:49,817 --> 00:42:52,194 Did you find it strange that the ones that don't… 909 00:42:52,278 --> 00:42:54,029 And stay down there. 910 00:42:54,113 --> 00:42:57,366 [Louis] But before I could find out why, it was showtime. 911 00:42:57,449 --> 00:42:59,535 [energetic music playing] 912 00:43:02,329 --> 00:43:04,623 We're back. Welcome to Fresh&Fit podcast AfterHours edition. 913 00:43:04,707 --> 00:43:08,627 If you don't mind, give us your name, your age, what you do for a living. 914 00:43:08,711 --> 00:43:12,798 My name's Ruby. I'm 22. Um, I do bottle service. 915 00:43:12,881 --> 00:43:16,635 My name is Giselle. I'm a full-time model currently. 916 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,306 Hi, I'm Caro. I model, and I do social media. 917 00:43:20,389 --> 00:43:21,682 Just say OnlyFans, man. 918 00:43:21,765 --> 00:43:24,602 Um, actually, no. I think I might be stopping OnlyFans. 919 00:43:24,685 --> 00:43:27,813 We've got some company in the house. Louis, you wanna introduce yourself? 920 00:43:27,896 --> 00:43:30,316 My name's Louis, and I make documentaries. 921 00:43:30,399 --> 00:43:33,652 So, I've been spending a bit of time with Myron and getting to know him. 922 00:43:33,736 --> 00:43:35,696 [Myron] Am I as toxic as they say? 923 00:43:35,779 --> 00:43:39,992 You know, uh, I'm waiting to make my final determination on that. 924 00:43:40,075 --> 00:43:41,702 -[Walter] I have a question. -[Myron] Okay. 925 00:43:41,785 --> 00:43:43,537 Ladies, if you don't mind, uh… 926 00:43:43,621 --> 00:43:45,247 Can you name three countries? 927 00:43:45,331 --> 00:43:48,334 -[quiz show music playing] -[guest 1] Portugal. 928 00:43:48,417 --> 00:43:50,377 -[Walter] More fucking loud. -Barcelona. 929 00:43:50,461 --> 00:43:53,213 -[buzzer] -[Walter laughs] Okay, what about you? 930 00:43:54,923 --> 00:43:58,677 [Louis] The format seemed mainly a chance to embarrass the female guests. 931 00:43:58,761 --> 00:44:01,472 You want a guy that's successful, but want him to give you attention. 932 00:44:01,555 --> 00:44:03,432 Absolutely. That's just me. 933 00:44:03,515 --> 00:44:05,601 Can we get the calculator out, please? 934 00:44:05,684 --> 00:44:08,604 This right here is the Fresh&Fit Female Delusion Calculator. 935 00:44:08,687 --> 00:44:10,189 -[guest 2] Okay. -[Myron] Height? 936 00:44:10,272 --> 00:44:12,191 -Six foot. -[Myron] Race? 937 00:44:12,274 --> 00:44:14,401 I prefer Black. That's who I see myself with. 938 00:44:14,485 --> 00:44:15,986 [Myron] Minimum income per year? 939 00:44:16,487 --> 00:44:18,989 Let's just do 300,000 a year. 940 00:44:19,073 --> 00:44:22,576 [Myron] Uh, your man meets less than 1% of the male population here. 941 00:44:22,660 --> 00:44:25,871 Are you okay with staying single for the rest of your life? 942 00:44:25,954 --> 00:44:27,122 You're not gonna find that. 943 00:44:27,206 --> 00:44:29,333 Would you be okay with him having other women? 944 00:44:29,416 --> 00:44:31,085 -[guest 2] Absolutely not. -You're cooked. 945 00:44:31,168 --> 00:44:33,837 You guys overinflate your own sense of self-worth. 946 00:44:33,921 --> 00:44:35,923 You guys think you're better than you really are. 947 00:44:36,006 --> 00:44:38,926 But the reality is, all of you guys bring the same thing to the table. 948 00:44:39,009 --> 00:44:40,511 'Cause men don't ask for much. 949 00:44:40,594 --> 00:44:44,098 So, if you don't wanna give it to him, he'll go find a 21-year-old that will. 950 00:44:45,224 --> 00:44:48,477 You know, you're talking like… 'Cause you've never been married. 951 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,897 There's so much more to a relationship than just the physical side of it. 952 00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:55,567 But the original reason why men deal with women in the first place 953 00:44:55,651 --> 00:44:57,361 is their beauty and their sexuality. 954 00:44:57,444 --> 00:44:59,780 Yes and no. You may be attracted to her 955 00:44:59,863 --> 00:45:03,033 because of her intelligence and her sense of humor as well. 956 00:45:04,451 --> 00:45:06,203 All right. "To the slag two down from Myron, 957 00:45:06,286 --> 00:45:07,496 since you cheat on every…" 958 00:45:07,579 --> 00:45:11,083 [Louis] For a fee, viewers could have their comments read out live on air. 959 00:45:11,166 --> 00:45:12,376 Masiam. 20 bucks. 960 00:45:12,459 --> 00:45:16,046 "Hey, playdough forehead two down from Myron, 961 00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:18,674 just cut your losses and shut the fuck…" God damn. 962 00:45:19,174 --> 00:45:21,510 Okay. Yeah. All right. Ladies, does body count matter? 963 00:45:21,593 --> 00:45:25,264 Don't judge my body count, and I won't judge yours. Clean slate. 964 00:45:25,347 --> 00:45:27,683 Whatever happens in the past stays in the past. 965 00:45:27,766 --> 00:45:29,601 [Myron] Let's go on and roll this video. 966 00:45:29,685 --> 00:45:31,729 I'm a neuroscientist. Let me explain. 967 00:45:31,812 --> 00:45:33,897 Studies show that women absorb and retain 968 00:45:33,981 --> 00:45:36,900 the DNA of every man they've been with via sperm. 969 00:45:36,984 --> 00:45:38,402 This foreign DNA has been found 970 00:45:38,485 --> 00:45:41,447 in the brain, organs, and reproductive system, 971 00:45:41,530 --> 00:45:43,741 but nobody talks about the consequences. 972 00:45:43,824 --> 00:45:46,660 Ever wonder why some kids resemble an ex more than their father? 973 00:45:46,744 --> 00:45:47,995 This is usually why. 974 00:45:48,078 --> 00:45:49,997 The more men a woman has been with, 975 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,333 the higher the risk of negative mutations in her future children. 976 00:45:53,417 --> 00:45:55,794 -Louis, what do you think? -Well, that video… 977 00:45:55,878 --> 00:45:57,546 That was ridiculous. 978 00:45:57,629 --> 00:46:02,676 The thing about, "Oh, you have a kid, and it resembles your previous partner"? 979 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,094 No one thinks that. 980 00:46:04,178 --> 00:46:06,555 -Well, there has been some-- -That's insane. 981 00:46:06,638 --> 00:46:08,515 There has been scientific data that reflects this 982 00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:10,476 when it comes to females and parent bonding. 983 00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:13,103 When they talk about misinformation on the internet, 984 00:46:13,187 --> 00:46:14,980 this is what they're talking about. 985 00:46:15,063 --> 00:46:17,316 I think the biggest takeaway is that… 986 00:46:17,399 --> 00:46:19,151 [Louis] As I was drawn into the conversation, 987 00:46:19,234 --> 00:46:22,905 I realized I too was being assessed by commenters in the chat. 988 00:46:24,573 --> 00:46:27,326 The anonymous posters did not hold back. 989 00:46:30,204 --> 00:46:32,915 All right. Love y'all, but catch me tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. 990 00:46:32,998 --> 00:46:35,125 -MyronGainesX. Later. -Peace. 991 00:46:36,418 --> 00:46:38,879 [Louis] After the show, I reflected on the reductiveness 992 00:46:38,962 --> 00:46:41,048 of its take on gender relations, 993 00:46:41,131 --> 00:46:45,260 where both women and men were only as good as their various stats, 994 00:46:45,344 --> 00:46:47,971 money, height, body count. 995 00:46:50,974 --> 00:46:55,646 But I also realized Myron's girlfriend Angie hadn't been at the studio. 996 00:46:55,729 --> 00:46:58,732 I decided to talk to him about what the issue was. 997 00:46:58,816 --> 00:47:01,902 You know, I sensed that there was a little feeling 998 00:47:01,985 --> 00:47:04,154 of maybe Angie shouldn't be in the documentary, 999 00:47:04,238 --> 00:47:06,198 and I just wonder what was behind that. 1000 00:47:06,824 --> 00:47:08,742 I decided to get into the limelight, 1001 00:47:08,826 --> 00:47:11,453 and I don't want her to have to deal with that. 1002 00:47:11,537 --> 00:47:13,914 She's on the show, isn't she? I've seen her. 1003 00:47:13,997 --> 00:47:16,458 -No. She doesn't come on the show. -Not anymore? I've seen her. 1004 00:47:16,542 --> 00:47:17,918 It's been a while. Frank, sit. 1005 00:47:18,001 --> 00:47:21,463 I want her to focus on being happy. She doesn't need to be in the limelight. 1006 00:47:21,547 --> 00:47:24,258 -Is that coming more from you or from her? -Both. 1007 00:47:30,806 --> 00:47:32,975 [Louis] And with that, I was leaving Miami 1008 00:47:33,851 --> 00:47:38,480 with the inescapable sense that something in the Angie chat had bothered Myron. 1009 00:47:39,064 --> 00:47:43,652 That he felt he'd come across as somehow weak and insufficiently alpha. 1010 00:47:45,195 --> 00:47:49,408 But I was also thinking about the experience of being on Fresh&Fit 1011 00:47:49,491 --> 00:47:52,077 and the symbiotic relationship between Myron 1012 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,831 and the Instagram models and OnlyFans girls that were his guests 1013 00:47:55,914 --> 00:47:58,458 as they used each other to raise their profiles. 1014 00:47:58,542 --> 00:48:00,544 [laughing] 1015 00:48:02,796 --> 00:48:05,591 [Louis] It is a common tactic in the manosphere 1016 00:48:05,674 --> 00:48:08,468 to advocate for traditional values 1017 00:48:08,552 --> 00:48:13,223 while at the same time wanting to be seen with scantily clad models in bikinis. 1018 00:48:14,057 --> 00:48:15,726 Hiya. Pretty active at work. 1019 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,438 [Louis] I'd been thinking more about my time with HS. 1020 00:48:19,521 --> 00:48:23,609 He'd embodied a similar attitude, profiting from OnlyFans girls 1021 00:48:23,692 --> 00:48:26,320 while at the same time calling them disgusting. 1022 00:48:26,403 --> 00:48:28,739 All right, she's here. Get her. 1023 00:48:28,822 --> 00:48:31,825 [Louis] An interview he'd done with the influencer Bonnie Blue, 1024 00:48:31,909 --> 00:48:35,495 famous for claiming to have had sex with 1,000 men in one day, 1025 00:48:35,579 --> 00:48:37,289 was just the latest example. 1026 00:48:37,789 --> 00:48:42,210 What girl is worse to idolize than this? There are other things you could've done. 1027 00:48:42,294 --> 00:48:44,671 I genuinely thought you'd be much more educated. 1028 00:48:44,755 --> 00:48:45,923 What do your parents say? 1029 00:48:46,006 --> 00:48:48,008 -They are proud and support me. -No, they're not. 1030 00:48:48,091 --> 00:48:49,468 This one is genuinely boring. 1031 00:48:49,551 --> 00:48:51,762 -They're not. -He's actually boring me. 1032 00:48:51,845 --> 00:48:54,473 Oh! Bonnie, why are you rattled? 1033 00:48:54,556 --> 00:48:57,559 You took your mic off, you dumb blonde. Put the mic on. 1034 00:48:57,643 --> 00:48:59,645 Bonnie just got fucking pressed. 1035 00:48:59,728 --> 00:49:01,730 [tense music playing] 1036 00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:06,151 [Louis] It was a striking contradiction. 1037 00:49:06,234 --> 00:49:08,987 By now, his wariness of me had lessened, 1038 00:49:09,071 --> 00:49:12,032 presumably because he'd noticed his posts about the filming 1039 00:49:12,115 --> 00:49:13,992 were helping his social media presence. 1040 00:49:14,076 --> 00:49:14,952 They call me B. 1041 00:49:15,035 --> 00:49:15,911 -B? -Yeah. 1042 00:49:15,994 --> 00:49:18,413 [Louis] I decided to speak to him again. 1043 00:49:18,497 --> 00:49:21,583 -Security? -Yeah. The best. 1044 00:49:25,587 --> 00:49:27,756 -How are you? -How you doing? Good to see you. 1045 00:49:27,839 --> 00:49:28,966 How's life? 1046 00:49:29,758 --> 00:49:32,135 The interview you did with Bonnie Blue was interesting. 1047 00:49:32,219 --> 00:49:33,762 -[Harrison] You saw? -It was interesting. 1048 00:49:33,845 --> 00:49:35,681 I think she's disgusting, bro. 1049 00:49:36,932 --> 00:49:40,602 I think she's absolutely repulsive as a person. 1050 00:49:40,686 --> 00:49:43,397 -So, why get her on the stream then? -Clout. 1051 00:49:44,064 --> 00:49:46,566 -[Louis] Chasing her clout? -Yeah. 1052 00:49:46,650 --> 00:49:48,527 Views, which it did. And-- 1053 00:49:48,610 --> 00:49:51,488 You've got 500,000 people on your Telegram, right? 1054 00:49:51,571 --> 00:49:54,574 -Yeah. -You're advertising OnlyFans girls there. 1055 00:49:54,658 --> 00:49:55,492 [Harrison] Yeah. 1056 00:49:55,575 --> 00:49:57,661 Do you think there's a contradiction there? 1057 00:49:57,744 --> 00:49:59,413 No, because I openly say 1058 00:49:59,496 --> 00:50:01,832 I don't give a fuck, and I'm doing it for money. 1059 00:50:01,915 --> 00:50:03,375 I don't care about… 1060 00:50:04,126 --> 00:50:05,335 The morality of it? 1061 00:50:05,419 --> 00:50:07,045 I know it's not good. 1062 00:50:07,129 --> 00:50:12,092 I… I say to people, "Don't watch porn. It's sad. It's loser shit." 1063 00:50:12,175 --> 00:50:15,303 You can't say, "I promote it, but I discourage people from doing it." 1064 00:50:15,387 --> 00:50:16,430 But you can, because-- 1065 00:50:16,513 --> 00:50:19,141 -You can say it. It doesn't mean anything. -How does it not? 1066 00:50:19,224 --> 00:50:22,477 It's a bit like saying, "Come to the gym. I'm gonna help you work out," 1067 00:50:22,561 --> 00:50:25,105 and you come in the front door, and there's a row of donuts. 1068 00:50:25,188 --> 00:50:28,692 Here's a box of donuts that I'm holding up to your face. 1069 00:50:28,775 --> 00:50:31,069 "If you eat that, you're a loser, but I'm gonna work out." 1070 00:50:31,153 --> 00:50:33,030 It's like, "I'm getting a mixed message." 1071 00:50:33,113 --> 00:50:35,532 Mm. You do what you choose. 1072 00:50:35,615 --> 00:50:37,617 If you wanna go and eat the donuts, eat the donuts, 1073 00:50:37,701 --> 00:50:39,286 but I own the donut shop. 1074 00:50:39,786 --> 00:50:42,748 So whether you come in the gym and pay for my PT or eat the donuts, 1075 00:50:42,831 --> 00:50:44,332 I make dough either way. 1076 00:50:44,416 --> 00:50:47,419 My kids are gonna be very, very happy, very fulfilled. 1077 00:50:47,502 --> 00:50:48,920 They can do what they want. 1078 00:50:49,004 --> 00:50:51,214 You sound a bit like Bonnie Blue. 1079 00:50:51,298 --> 00:50:52,382 In what way? 1080 00:50:52,466 --> 00:50:54,551 You're saying, "It doesn't matter what choices I make." 1081 00:50:54,634 --> 00:50:58,055 "I'm making money, and my kids will enjoy a high standard of living." 1082 00:50:58,138 --> 00:50:59,806 -"My choices are irrelevant." -Not at all. 1083 00:50:59,890 --> 00:51:04,895 What? Me posting a picture with girls is the same as getting shagged by 1,000 guys? 1084 00:51:04,978 --> 00:51:07,189 -[Louis] It's rationalizing. -Don't compare me to Bonnie. 1085 00:51:07,272 --> 00:51:08,315 [Louis] It's rationalizing. 1086 00:51:08,398 --> 00:51:10,817 -Are you getting triggered? -I'm not getting triggered. 1087 00:51:10,901 --> 00:51:12,819 I don't know why you're talking shit, mate. 1088 00:51:12,903 --> 00:51:16,198 -Why not try and be a good person? -[Harrison sighs] 1089 00:51:18,325 --> 00:51:20,660 -In what respect? What do you mean? -Just uplift people. 1090 00:51:20,744 --> 00:51:22,871 Don't pander to their worst impulses. 1091 00:51:22,954 --> 00:51:26,166 Actually encourage them to do the right… make the right choices. 1092 00:51:27,084 --> 00:51:28,710 That's a good question. 1093 00:51:28,794 --> 00:51:31,630 If I'd just done good things, 1094 00:51:31,713 --> 00:51:35,342 I would never have really blown up on social media in the first place, 1095 00:51:35,425 --> 00:51:40,430 because me live streaming, chatting up birds, whatever, 1096 00:51:41,223 --> 00:51:43,183 some of them birds don't wanna be on the internet. 1097 00:51:43,266 --> 00:51:46,686 So if I was just thinking, "Right, I don't wanna upset anyone." 1098 00:51:46,770 --> 00:51:48,730 "I don't wanna do anything that's duh-duh-duh," 1099 00:51:48,814 --> 00:51:50,357 I wouldn't have been where I'm at now. 1100 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,026 And I'm not living for other people. I'm living for myself. 1101 00:51:57,197 --> 00:51:59,783 [Louis] With his troublingly self-centered worldview 1102 00:51:59,866 --> 00:52:01,785 and the contradictions it entailed, 1103 00:52:01,868 --> 00:52:05,038 HS's latest project was House of Heat, 1104 00:52:05,122 --> 00:52:06,998 an OnlyFans content house, 1105 00:52:07,082 --> 00:52:10,669 where X-rated creators were living together and cross-promoting. 1106 00:52:11,169 --> 00:52:14,214 He was helping publicize their accounts on his channels 1107 00:52:14,297 --> 00:52:16,258 while taking a cut of any income. 1108 00:52:21,763 --> 00:52:23,265 -[man] HSTikkyTokky! -Come on, bro. 1109 00:52:23,348 --> 00:52:26,143 -Come on, bro. My G. -[Harrison] Nice to meet you, man. 1110 00:52:26,226 --> 00:52:28,603 [Louis] At a beach club by the Marbella port, 1111 00:52:28,687 --> 00:52:31,773 HS introduced me to one of the House of Heat models. 1112 00:52:31,857 --> 00:52:34,526 Louis, meet Ellie Nutts. 1113 00:52:35,068 --> 00:52:36,736 -[Louis] Hi, Ellie. -Hi, nice to meet you. 1114 00:52:36,820 --> 00:52:40,198 [Louis] She'd come up on TikTok as the Sexy Plasterer 1115 00:52:40,282 --> 00:52:42,784 with nearly 200,000 followers, 1116 00:52:42,868 --> 00:52:45,412 then leveraged it into an OnlyFans account. 1117 00:52:47,497 --> 00:52:50,500 Everyone double-tap the screen up. This is the new account. Get it moving. 1118 00:52:51,084 --> 00:52:53,128 Everyone spam this fucking live up. 1119 00:52:53,211 --> 00:52:56,548 Right now, we got Louis out here for the second time. 1120 00:52:57,048 --> 00:52:59,885 -'Cause he enjoyed the first time so much. -I'm not content. 1121 00:52:59,968 --> 00:53:02,929 -He's back out here with the crew. -I'm behind the scenes. 1122 00:53:03,930 --> 00:53:05,348 He is content. 1123 00:53:05,432 --> 00:53:06,641 [Louis] What about Ellie? 1124 00:53:06,725 --> 00:53:09,144 I'm not forgetting Ellie. Everyone knows about Ellie, mate. 1125 00:53:09,227 --> 00:53:11,646 -Don't worry, Louis. [chuckles] -Hey, guys. 1126 00:53:11,730 --> 00:53:14,357 -[Louis] Were you part of House of Heat? -Yeah. 1127 00:53:14,441 --> 00:53:16,651 [Louis] One of the main people. Was it five of you? 1128 00:53:16,735 --> 00:53:18,528 How many will there be? 1129 00:53:18,612 --> 00:53:20,614 Well, I don't know. I reckon there's about… 1130 00:53:20,697 --> 00:53:24,159 -Me, Ellie, Lilly-- -Probably 15. Probably 15. 1131 00:53:24,242 --> 00:53:26,828 How well would you say you know HS? 1132 00:53:27,871 --> 00:53:28,830 Pretty well. 1133 00:53:28,914 --> 00:53:30,540 How would you describe him? 1134 00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:34,711 He's a genuine guy. He's funny. 1135 00:53:34,794 --> 00:53:40,425 Would it disappoint you if you found out that HS was very judgmental of OnlyFans 1136 00:53:40,508 --> 00:53:42,594 and thought it was actually disgusting? 1137 00:53:42,677 --> 00:53:44,095 Not really. 1138 00:53:44,596 --> 00:53:46,681 No. I don't care for other people's opinion 1139 00:53:46,765 --> 00:53:48,808 on what I'm doing for myself. 1140 00:53:48,892 --> 00:53:50,602 I'm comfortable in my decisions. 1141 00:53:50,685 --> 00:53:54,606 LD commented saying, "Louis Theroux is getting slops off the blonde." 1142 00:53:54,689 --> 00:53:56,566 -No. -[laughing] 1143 00:53:59,027 --> 00:54:01,571 Double-tap this screen up right now. 1144 00:54:01,655 --> 00:54:03,531 Male audience. What can you expect? 1145 00:54:03,615 --> 00:54:05,909 -[Louis] It's not surprising, is it? -No. [chuckles] 1146 00:54:05,992 --> 00:54:11,039 I'm just saying what the chat are saying. I've got to be entertaining the chat. 1147 00:54:11,122 --> 00:54:13,124 [dance music playing] 1148 00:54:13,917 --> 00:54:17,462 [Louis] Since I'd last seen him, HS had been livestreaming more, 1149 00:54:17,545 --> 00:54:19,047 up to seven hours a day, 1150 00:54:19,130 --> 00:54:23,051 getting paid around £300 an hour if the audience was big enough, 1151 00:54:23,134 --> 00:54:26,263 with the pressure always on to keep them engaged. 1152 00:54:27,722 --> 00:54:29,557 [Harrison] Let's fucking start the stream. 1153 00:54:30,308 --> 00:54:33,561 [Louis] Even so, what happened next was unexpected. 1154 00:54:33,645 --> 00:54:37,649 So, HS and his team have suddenly pulled off. 1155 00:54:37,732 --> 00:54:40,652 All right, boys, this right here is gonna be fucking interesting. 1156 00:54:40,735 --> 00:54:43,738 So, he's gonna pull up on this roundabout here. 1157 00:54:43,822 --> 00:54:44,698 Show 'em. 1158 00:54:44,781 --> 00:54:48,076 [Louis] One of HS's minions claimed to have set up a date online 1159 00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:52,539 with an older man with the aim of humiliating him live on stream. 1160 00:54:53,123 --> 00:54:55,792 I stepped away and watched from a distance. 1161 00:54:56,835 --> 00:54:59,546 [Sam] "W" in the chat if we should go and punch him up. 1162 00:55:00,297 --> 00:55:02,132 They all want him to get punched up. 1163 00:55:05,010 --> 00:55:06,970 -[Harrison] Cheers, man. -[tense music playing] 1164 00:55:07,053 --> 00:55:09,597 -[Louis] A man arrived… -My name's Harrison. 1165 00:55:09,681 --> 00:55:11,516 Excuse me, my friend. 1166 00:55:12,017 --> 00:55:14,894 [Louis] …then sensing something was up, tried to leave 1167 00:55:14,978 --> 00:55:18,982 as HS's hangers-on kicked him and rained punches down on his head. 1168 00:55:19,065 --> 00:55:22,360 -[man] Enough! Enough! -[clamoring] 1169 00:55:22,444 --> 00:55:23,445 [Harrison] Fuck! 1170 00:55:24,821 --> 00:55:26,865 [Louis] They accused him of being a predator. 1171 00:55:26,948 --> 00:55:29,701 I had no way of knowing if this could be true. 1172 00:55:30,201 --> 00:55:32,120 Eventually, he got away. 1173 00:55:32,203 --> 00:55:37,876 Oi, that was so funny! Oh, he got slapped. He got slapped. 1174 00:55:37,959 --> 00:55:40,754 [Harrison] All right, don't film me. Walk the other way from me. 1175 00:55:40,837 --> 00:55:42,380 Walk the other way from me, bruv. 1176 00:55:42,464 --> 00:55:44,049 Can we go over there now? 1177 00:55:44,132 --> 00:55:46,551 [Harrison] "You're off to jail, mate." I didn't touch him. 1178 00:55:47,927 --> 00:55:50,305 That did not go to plan at all. 1179 00:55:50,388 --> 00:55:52,349 -It looked like an assault. -Yeah. 1180 00:55:52,432 --> 00:55:53,808 Was that not the plan? 1181 00:55:53,892 --> 00:55:56,061 Of course not. I've never done that in my life. 1182 00:55:56,144 --> 00:55:58,855 You can't just do that to a random person. 1183 00:55:58,938 --> 00:56:02,442 The plan's to, like, have them there, call the police. Get 'em nicked. 1184 00:56:02,525 --> 00:56:03,610 It was horrible. 1185 00:56:03,693 --> 00:56:06,363 It was like watching a mob. Like a mob attack. 1186 00:56:06,446 --> 00:56:10,033 You don't get to beat someone up. That's not law and order, is it? 1187 00:56:10,116 --> 00:56:11,951 How did it do on the stream? 1188 00:56:12,535 --> 00:56:15,872 Few thousand watching. 4.5K total. 1189 00:56:15,955 --> 00:56:18,958 So, what will happen? Will that sit up there, though? 1190 00:56:19,042 --> 00:56:20,043 No. I deleted it. 1191 00:56:20,126 --> 00:56:22,921 -Already? -Yeah. I didn't want that on the internet. 1192 00:56:23,797 --> 00:56:26,174 [Harrison] Excuse me, my friend. Wait here a second. 1193 00:56:26,257 --> 00:56:28,301 [Louis] Despite what he'd told me, within seconds, 1194 00:56:28,385 --> 00:56:31,846 HS's online team had clipped up short snippets, 1195 00:56:33,014 --> 00:56:35,141 flooding them onto Instagram and TikTok, 1196 00:56:35,225 --> 00:56:38,853 emblazoned with the logo of an online gambling company. 1197 00:56:39,396 --> 00:56:42,399 All right, so we got Theroux and them right now coming to link us… 1198 00:56:42,482 --> 00:56:44,150 [Louis] That night, the stream continued 1199 00:56:44,234 --> 00:56:47,487 with HS dropping game to random strangers at the port. 1200 00:56:47,570 --> 00:56:50,073 Okay, listen. You're both very pretty. Give me your Instagram. 1201 00:56:50,156 --> 00:56:51,533 -We'll do something. -[woman] Okay. 1202 00:56:51,616 --> 00:56:53,535 [Harrison] See you later, you German tarts. 1203 00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,413 [Louis] But I was still thinking about the ugliness 1204 00:56:56,496 --> 00:56:58,415 of the so-called predator sting. 1205 00:56:59,582 --> 00:57:00,625 As the evening wore on, 1206 00:57:00,708 --> 00:57:05,255 I became aware of myself being pulled in and farmed for content. 1207 00:57:05,338 --> 00:57:08,633 All right, should I stick it on Louis? 1208 00:57:08,716 --> 00:57:10,885 There's some fuck shit I could say to him. 1209 00:57:10,969 --> 00:57:12,595 All right, look, watch this, boys. 1210 00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:14,931 -You got anything to say to the live? -Not really. 1211 00:57:15,014 --> 00:57:17,434 Someone's saying you're good friends with Jimmy Savile. 1212 00:57:17,517 --> 00:57:19,978 -What have you got to say for yourself? -Jimmy Savile. 1213 00:57:20,061 --> 00:57:22,272 Well, I helped to expose him while he was alive. 1214 00:57:22,355 --> 00:57:23,356 Mm. 1215 00:57:23,857 --> 00:57:26,901 -They're saying you're friends. -He's dead. I can't be friends with him. 1216 00:57:26,985 --> 00:57:28,319 You used to have freak-offs. 1217 00:57:28,403 --> 00:57:30,572 Anyway, on that note, let's keep it steppin'. 1218 00:57:30,655 --> 00:57:33,950 It's time. HS vs Mr. Bean punch bag. 1219 00:57:41,624 --> 00:57:44,836 That's okay. 921. 922. 1220 00:57:44,919 --> 00:57:47,005 -[Louis] Three! -[Harrison] Theroux, hit one. 1221 00:57:47,088 --> 00:57:50,675 [laughing] Gay! Gay! 1222 00:57:51,926 --> 00:57:53,261 What the fuck? 1223 00:57:53,344 --> 00:57:55,430 Hey, Theroux, is that how you'd punch 1224 00:57:55,513 --> 00:57:59,184 if someone was coming into your house about to attack you and your family? 1225 00:57:59,267 --> 00:58:01,769 Someone clip that when I was chatting to Louis earlier. 1226 00:58:01,853 --> 00:58:06,774 He really don't wanna be in the live. He don't wanna be, uh, on the content. 1227 00:58:07,525 --> 00:58:08,985 But he's got no choice. 1228 00:58:09,068 --> 00:58:11,237 [energetic music playing] 1229 00:58:11,321 --> 00:58:13,698 [Louis] The Marbella trip felt like an education 1230 00:58:13,781 --> 00:58:16,326 in how the hamster wheel of content creation 1231 00:58:16,409 --> 00:58:18,870 was incentivizing extreme behavior. 1232 00:58:18,953 --> 00:58:22,040 -Have you anything to say to the live? -Not really, no. 1233 00:58:22,123 --> 00:58:23,416 Over subsequent days, 1234 00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:27,337 clippers paid by HS and orchestrated by him in a group chat, 1235 00:58:27,420 --> 00:58:29,464 pushed out clips from the livestream. 1236 00:58:29,547 --> 00:58:31,966 Someone's saying you're good friends with Jimmy Savile. 1237 00:58:32,050 --> 00:58:33,510 What have you got to say? 1238 00:58:33,593 --> 00:58:38,097 They were then shared across TikTok and Instagram. Several went viral. 1239 00:58:38,181 --> 00:58:42,143 [laughing] Gay! What the fuck? 1240 00:58:45,605 --> 00:58:47,774 [Louis] Egged on by the comments making fun of him 1241 00:58:47,857 --> 00:58:51,945 and his decision to be in my film, HS seemed to spiral. 1242 00:58:52,028 --> 00:58:56,282 Like, if you want to call me a… a… a pimp, 1243 00:58:56,366 --> 00:59:01,412 scammer, racist, homophobic dickhead, 1244 00:59:02,038 --> 00:59:04,457 I'm all of those. I'm all of those, Theroux. 1245 00:59:04,541 --> 00:59:08,920 And what? What are you gonna do about it, pussy hoe? Nothing. 1246 00:59:09,003 --> 00:59:11,297 [Louis] He came across to me like a fighter, 1247 00:59:11,381 --> 00:59:13,883 talking himself up before a big bout. 1248 00:59:13,967 --> 00:59:15,552 I do not give a fuck. 1249 00:59:16,844 --> 00:59:21,349 We turn now to growing concerns around the proliferation of misogyny online. 1250 00:59:21,432 --> 00:59:26,312 Teachers are sounding the alarm over a resurgence of male supremacy in schools. 1251 00:59:26,396 --> 00:59:27,939 [reporter] There's a number of examples 1252 00:59:28,022 --> 00:59:29,274 of manosphere culture 1253 00:59:29,357 --> 00:59:32,235 affecting interactions between boys and girls. 1254 00:59:33,236 --> 00:59:35,780 [Louis] Much has been said about the effect of streamers 1255 00:59:35,863 --> 00:59:37,532 on their young fans. 1256 00:59:38,032 --> 00:59:41,035 It is this idea that there's only one way to be a man, 1257 00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:44,956 and that involves oppressing women, the right to their bodies. 1258 00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,543 [Louis] But in my time in the manosphere, I'd become curious 1259 00:59:48,626 --> 00:59:52,797 about how the streamers grew up and what they shared from their childhood. 1260 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,841 [Andrew] My dad beat the fuck out of me. 1261 00:59:54,924 --> 00:59:58,720 I became very realistic of the world with one ass-kicking. 1262 00:59:58,803 --> 01:00:01,806 All it takes is one good ass-kicking. You learn a lot. 1263 01:00:01,889 --> 01:00:03,891 [kids singing] 1264 01:00:05,852 --> 01:00:09,063 [Louis] It was striking how many were raised without dads. 1265 01:00:09,606 --> 01:00:13,401 HS, the anti-feminist, had told me how his mum, Elaine, 1266 01:00:13,484 --> 01:00:16,112 had worked six-day weeks, late into the evening 1267 01:00:16,195 --> 01:00:18,615 to put him through private school. 1268 01:00:18,698 --> 01:00:22,535 It was clear from photos shared online how devoted Elaine had always been. 1269 01:00:23,328 --> 01:00:26,414 How HS had felt at the time was hard to know. 1270 01:00:27,081 --> 01:00:29,751 His dad, an England international rugby player, 1271 01:00:29,834 --> 01:00:31,419 was not in the picture. 1272 01:00:32,253 --> 01:00:35,340 I'm a little bit anxious to go see him. I can't lie. Like… 1273 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,718 It's a bit… I ain't seen him in so fucking long. 1274 01:00:38,801 --> 01:00:41,554 [Louis] HS posted content online about it. 1275 01:00:42,055 --> 01:00:43,431 -Very nice. Hello. -Hello. 1276 01:00:43,514 --> 01:00:45,391 You weren't there for years. 1277 01:00:45,475 --> 01:00:47,685 You didn't reply for ten years. 1278 01:00:47,769 --> 01:00:50,688 I don't agree with what he did. Don't… don't get it twisted. 1279 01:00:50,772 --> 01:00:53,149 -But no hard feelings. -Mm-hmm. 1280 01:00:53,232 --> 01:00:55,568 [Louis] We'd talked about it when we'd been together. 1281 01:00:55,652 --> 01:00:59,280 If there is any trauma there, what I will say is, it's subconscious. 1282 01:00:59,364 --> 01:01:01,157 It's not something that I'm aware of. 1283 01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,534 -Really? -Yeah, definitely. Definitely. 1284 01:01:13,795 --> 01:01:15,463 [Louis] Across the board, I had the sense 1285 01:01:15,546 --> 01:01:18,549 that influencers still carrying the wounds of childhood, 1286 01:01:18,633 --> 01:01:21,803 who'd had to learn brutal strategies of self-reliance, 1287 01:01:21,886 --> 01:01:24,847 were projecting their trauma onto the wider world. 1288 01:01:25,348 --> 01:01:28,726 There was certainly, um, a broken home going on. 1289 01:01:28,810 --> 01:01:32,605 There was violence going on. There was violence with the mom. 1290 01:01:34,065 --> 01:01:35,483 [Louis] Justin was another. 1291 01:01:35,566 --> 01:01:39,612 His accounts of being raised by a mother who he characterized as chaotic 1292 01:01:39,696 --> 01:01:42,573 were a well-established part of his origin story. 1293 01:01:43,157 --> 01:01:45,743 -What kind of house did you grow up in? -It was like this. 1294 01:01:45,827 --> 01:01:47,620 -Was it? -I used to play in this neighborhood. 1295 01:01:47,704 --> 01:01:48,996 -[Louis] Did you? -Yeah. 1296 01:01:49,914 --> 01:01:52,959 I… I've read online, and I've seen you talk about 1297 01:01:53,042 --> 01:01:56,462 how you had not the best upbringing in some respects, right? 1298 01:01:56,546 --> 01:01:57,547 Yes, sir. 1299 01:01:57,630 --> 01:02:00,550 We were very close to being put in a foster home. 1300 01:02:00,633 --> 01:02:02,760 I mean, there was a lot of violence. 1301 01:02:02,844 --> 01:02:07,098 My mom, she would just come in sometimes and just start punching him. 1302 01:02:07,181 --> 01:02:08,725 It was true rage. 1303 01:02:09,308 --> 01:02:11,769 We're actually not far from where she burned those houses down. 1304 01:02:12,353 --> 01:02:13,896 How do you mean she burned houses down? 1305 01:02:13,980 --> 01:02:16,899 So, we had two house fires when I was a kid, in eighth grade. 1306 01:02:16,983 --> 01:02:18,651 -Uh… -What was her motive? 1307 01:02:19,152 --> 01:02:21,112 Insurance money so we could build a new one. 1308 01:02:21,195 --> 01:02:22,196 -Really? -Yeah. 1309 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,198 -Did she admit to doing that? -No. 1310 01:02:24,282 --> 01:02:25,366 So, she denies that? 1311 01:02:25,450 --> 01:02:28,327 I've never heard my mother say "I'm sorry" in my life. Ever. 1312 01:02:28,411 --> 01:02:31,289 I've never heard my mother say she was wrong. 1313 01:02:32,665 --> 01:02:35,251 [Louis] Justin's mother denies all of this. 1314 01:02:35,334 --> 01:02:39,130 In my research, I couldn't find any charges or claims against her. 1315 01:02:40,506 --> 01:02:43,968 But there was no question there was massive instability in the home, 1316 01:02:44,051 --> 01:02:47,180 with Justin's dad prevented from seeing the children. 1317 01:02:49,432 --> 01:02:50,433 I'd started to wonder 1318 01:02:50,516 --> 01:02:55,480 whether an insecure upbringing had created a distrust of traditional family life. 1319 01:02:56,689 --> 01:03:00,735 He'd told me several times about his one-way monogamous relationship. 1320 01:03:00,818 --> 01:03:02,987 It seemed possible it was related. 1321 01:03:05,406 --> 01:03:09,577 -Hi. I'm Louis. How do you do? -Hi. Nice to meet you. Good. Kristen. 1322 01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:11,162 Kristen. Thanks for having us. 1323 01:03:11,245 --> 01:03:14,540 He'd recently moved back to Baton Rouge with his family. 1324 01:03:14,624 --> 01:03:18,628 Previously, he hadn't wanted us to film with his other half, Kristen, 1325 01:03:18,711 --> 01:03:20,755 but now, he'd changed his mind. 1326 01:03:20,838 --> 01:03:22,423 -Wow. -Come on in! 1327 01:03:22,507 --> 01:03:23,633 This is amazing. 1328 01:03:23,716 --> 01:03:28,346 She is a former X-ray technician, a mother of two with another on the way. 1329 01:03:28,429 --> 01:03:29,972 -Like being in a castle. -Yeah. 1330 01:03:30,890 --> 01:03:33,893 [Louis] Uh, would you be happy to take us around a little bit? 1331 01:03:33,976 --> 01:03:35,520 [Justin] This is the gym. 1332 01:03:36,729 --> 01:03:39,148 -She'd be right there. -[Kristen] Eva, show them how you swing. 1333 01:03:39,899 --> 01:03:41,400 She has her own Lambo. 1334 01:03:42,735 --> 01:03:46,447 This is the girls' room. That's where bath time is every night. 1335 01:03:46,531 --> 01:03:48,658 Do you do the bath, Justin, or is that more… 1336 01:03:48,741 --> 01:03:51,118 I don't do baths, or diapers, or anything like that. 1337 01:03:51,702 --> 01:03:54,747 I like to tell people we have lanes. 1338 01:03:55,248 --> 01:03:58,668 My lane is changing diapers, cooking, and cleaning, 1339 01:03:58,751 --> 01:04:02,296 and his lane is working and providing. 1340 01:04:02,380 --> 01:04:04,924 We don't cross into each other's lane. 1341 01:04:05,007 --> 01:04:06,384 It works for us. 1342 01:04:07,969 --> 01:04:11,013 One of the things that came up early on in conversation with Justin 1343 01:04:11,097 --> 01:04:13,391 was this idea of one-way monogamy. 1344 01:04:13,474 --> 01:04:17,186 My previous relationship that I was in before him, 1345 01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:19,063 I was lied to a lot. 1346 01:04:19,146 --> 01:04:23,526 And so my biggest thing with him was like, honestly, I can take the truth. 1347 01:04:24,402 --> 01:04:29,866 I was very open to it, for, like, him and I to do it kind of together. 1348 01:04:29,949 --> 01:04:32,410 -Mm-hmm. In bedroom scenarios? -[Kristen] Yeah. 1349 01:04:32,493 --> 01:04:33,828 -[Louis] Mm-hmm. -Yeah. 1350 01:04:33,911 --> 01:04:38,332 Look, if I take a girl on a date, one of the questions by the… 1351 01:04:38,416 --> 01:04:42,461 If it doesn't happen on the first one, it will happen on the second one. 1352 01:04:42,962 --> 01:04:46,674 "So, I heard you have a wife." "Yeah, what about it? She's hot." 1353 01:04:46,757 --> 01:04:49,594 And then, boom, I'll show her a picture of Kristen immediately 1354 01:04:49,677 --> 01:04:51,596 and go straight for the threesome. 1355 01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:54,765 I don't give a fuck. I'm not about to placate some girl. 1356 01:04:54,849 --> 01:04:57,184 -Slightly aggressive. -No, I'm just telling you. 1357 01:04:57,268 --> 01:04:59,270 -I don't think he's that aggressive. -What about it? 1358 01:04:59,353 --> 01:05:01,480 -What about it? Like, what's up? -What about it? 1359 01:05:01,564 --> 01:05:04,609 Do you have arranged nights 1360 01:05:04,692 --> 01:05:07,111 where you know Justin with… is with someone else? 1361 01:05:07,194 --> 01:05:08,029 [Justin] No. 1362 01:05:08,112 --> 01:05:10,740 -Is it a "don't ask, don't tell" thing? -[Kristen] Kind of. 1363 01:05:10,823 --> 01:05:12,658 -[Louis] You don't need to know. -I don't. 1364 01:05:12,742 --> 01:05:15,703 -You don't want the gory details. -What do I… And it's not even gory. 1365 01:05:15,786 --> 01:05:17,622 -I don't… -Sexy? 1366 01:05:17,705 --> 01:05:20,583 I think that most women… 1367 01:05:21,417 --> 01:05:25,963 I could be going out on a limb here. But I think most women like the idea 1368 01:05:26,047 --> 01:05:30,676 or like to know that their man is wanted by other women. 1369 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,887 -Are you married, by the way? -Yeah. 1370 01:05:32,970 --> 01:05:35,848 [Justin] Not… not… I didn't bring the state into it. 1371 01:05:35,932 --> 01:05:38,809 Why did you not get married in the eyes of the state? 1372 01:05:38,893 --> 01:05:41,562 -You think the financial side? -[Justin] Yeah. 1373 01:05:41,646 --> 01:05:44,482 That doesn't… That seems more risky for you, maybe. 1374 01:05:44,982 --> 01:05:49,195 It does seem more risky for me, but I don't feel like I'm at risk. 1375 01:05:49,278 --> 01:05:52,031 But, Louis, let's say it ended right now. Let's say it ended tomorrow. 1376 01:05:52,114 --> 01:05:53,741 -What ended? Oh. -[Justin] Me and you. 1377 01:05:53,824 --> 01:05:57,370 I would still look at it as successful. It's some of the best years of my life. 1378 01:05:57,453 --> 01:06:00,957 I have beautiful children, beautiful memories. 1379 01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,543 I'll see comments sometimes like, "He thinks money is everything, 1380 01:06:04,627 --> 01:06:07,797 but he'll never understand what it's like to have true happiness in a family 1381 01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,633 and have a woman truly love him for more than his money." 1382 01:06:10,716 --> 01:06:12,051 Bullshit, asshole. 1383 01:06:12,551 --> 01:06:17,974 I have it all. Truly, truly have it all. I couldn't be more lucky and more blessed. 1384 01:06:18,057 --> 01:06:20,142 [intense music playing] 1385 01:06:22,687 --> 01:06:26,190 [Louis] In Miami, I'd wondered how real Justin's wealth was. 1386 01:06:26,273 --> 01:06:28,651 It was clear, if he wasn't worth $30 million, 1387 01:06:28,734 --> 01:06:30,319 he was far from hard up. 1388 01:06:30,403 --> 01:06:32,863 [Kristen] Come on, let's go show another room in the house. 1389 01:06:32,947 --> 01:06:34,824 Yeah, Mommy's room! 1390 01:06:34,907 --> 01:06:36,575 [Louis] But for me, the real question was 1391 01:06:36,659 --> 01:06:39,704 Kristen's true feelings about the arrangement. 1392 01:06:39,787 --> 01:06:43,833 -Kristen, you were working, weren't you? -I was. I loved my job. 1393 01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:48,045 But I don't miss having to wake up at five o'clock in the morning 1394 01:06:48,129 --> 01:06:50,965 and put on scrubs and go to a hospital and clock in, 1395 01:06:51,048 --> 01:06:54,760 and, like, have to work for somebody else. 1396 01:06:55,344 --> 01:07:02,226 I feel so good in my femininity because of how masculine Justin is. 1397 01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:04,270 Like, I was saying, the lanes that we're in, 1398 01:07:04,353 --> 01:07:07,273 I just kinda feel like that's what works for us. 1399 01:07:07,356 --> 01:07:10,026 But I also, to my core, 1400 01:07:10,109 --> 01:07:13,571 believe that, like, that's… as human beings, like, 1401 01:07:13,654 --> 01:07:17,283 male and female, I just think that that's how it's supposed to be. 1402 01:07:21,328 --> 01:07:24,373 [Louis] With their male-centered take on family life, 1403 01:07:24,457 --> 01:07:28,210 Kristen and Justin embodied a red-pill dream 1404 01:07:28,294 --> 01:07:31,839 founded on a Darwinian view of alpha supremacy. 1405 01:07:33,215 --> 01:07:35,217 [intense music playing] 1406 01:07:43,768 --> 01:07:47,063 [Louis] An ideology that seemed to me to be rooted in trauma 1407 01:07:47,146 --> 01:07:51,901 was being rolled out as the basis of far-reaching social renewal… 1408 01:07:52,568 --> 01:07:55,780 Did an election that was supposed to revolve around women's issues 1409 01:07:55,863 --> 01:07:58,115 actually come down to the plight of men? 1410 01:07:58,199 --> 01:08:01,535 This was the testosterone podcast election. 1411 01:08:01,619 --> 01:08:04,246 I want to thank the Nelk Boys, Adin Ross, Theo Von. 1412 01:08:04,330 --> 01:08:07,249 …as manosphere talking points began to converge 1413 01:08:07,333 --> 01:08:10,336 with the mainstream of political conversation. 1414 01:08:10,419 --> 01:08:12,379 I'm close to the Trump family. I know them well, 1415 01:08:12,463 --> 01:08:15,883 and I look forward to, once I am free, being with Donald Trump in person 1416 01:08:15,966 --> 01:08:18,177 and reminding him that he's a bulletproof badass. 1417 01:08:22,848 --> 01:08:25,851 [Louis] Since entering the manosphere, I'd been trying to get access 1418 01:08:25,935 --> 01:08:29,522 to one of the handful of men at the very forefront of this evolution. 1419 01:08:29,605 --> 01:08:30,856 They are trying to make you gay. 1420 01:08:39,115 --> 01:08:41,909 [distorted laughter] 1421 01:08:41,992 --> 01:08:45,913 [Louis] One of the most popular and notorious goes by the name Sneako. 1422 01:08:45,996 --> 01:08:47,206 Hey, that's me. 1423 01:08:47,289 --> 01:08:49,625 [Louis] Real name, Nicolas Balinthazy. 1424 01:08:49,708 --> 01:08:51,919 We should not let women vote. I'm sorry. 1425 01:08:52,002 --> 01:08:54,672 [Louis] He, more than anyone, embodies the red pill's impact 1426 01:08:54,755 --> 01:08:56,924 and its political awakening. 1427 01:08:57,007 --> 01:09:00,344 It took about ten years, but the people that follow their gut instincts 1428 01:09:00,427 --> 01:09:02,638 are now at the forefront of truth. 1429 01:09:02,721 --> 01:09:04,807 I have my good friends here on the show. 1430 01:09:04,890 --> 01:09:07,351 [Louis] A friend of the Tates and Myron… 1431 01:09:07,434 --> 01:09:09,353 We're here, and we're not going anywhere. 1432 01:09:09,436 --> 01:09:12,565 …he was at Trump's inauguration and celebratory ball 1433 01:09:12,648 --> 01:09:14,733 and claims Barron watches his content. 1434 01:09:14,817 --> 01:09:18,612 -[Trump] We will make America great again. -Yeah! 1435 01:09:18,696 --> 01:09:20,948 [Louis] He's been banned from all major platforms 1436 01:09:21,031 --> 01:09:23,033 for hate speech and misinformation. 1437 01:09:23,117 --> 01:09:28,164 Bop! Shut the fuck up, bitch. Just one and done. Cry, over. 1438 01:09:28,247 --> 01:09:29,707 Back in the kitchen! 1439 01:09:29,790 --> 01:09:33,127 [Louis] But still, his clips go viral, with views in the billions. 1440 01:09:33,711 --> 01:09:35,588 Holy shit, everyone. It's me. I'm here. 1441 01:09:38,382 --> 01:09:39,633 [Louis] He lives in New York. 1442 01:09:40,259 --> 01:09:43,596 He turns down most mainstream media requests. 1443 01:09:44,471 --> 01:09:46,974 To my surprise, he agreed to meet me. 1444 01:09:47,975 --> 01:09:49,059 Hey. 1445 01:09:49,143 --> 01:09:51,562 -Hey. How are you? -Hello. We just got here. 1446 01:09:51,645 --> 01:09:52,646 -Louis. -Hi. Come in. 1447 01:09:52,730 --> 01:09:55,107 -How are you doing? Shoes off. -Good. 1448 01:09:56,275 --> 01:09:58,944 -[Louis] This is your place? -Uh, yeah, one of 'em. 1449 01:09:59,612 --> 01:10:02,615 -So, I'm working on this video today. -[Louis] Wow. 1450 01:10:02,698 --> 01:10:06,076 I literally just came from a protest. They were protesting Elon Musk 1451 01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:07,328 and calling Trump a fascist. 1452 01:10:07,411 --> 01:10:08,662 That was right at City Hall. 1453 01:10:08,746 --> 01:10:11,749 -You talk to people down there? -I do. But everyone there knows me. 1454 01:10:11,832 --> 01:10:13,375 So I have this… This is what I do. 1455 01:10:13,459 --> 01:10:15,794 For something like that, I don't go with security. 1456 01:10:15,878 --> 01:10:18,088 This is what I do. I just put this on. 1457 01:10:18,172 --> 01:10:19,673 And then I'm undercover. 1458 01:10:19,757 --> 01:10:23,010 I swear to you, if I went like this, it would've been hectic. 1459 01:10:23,093 --> 01:10:26,972 How would you position yourself politically, culturally at the moment? 1460 01:10:27,056 --> 01:10:29,308 I'm a huge Trump supporter. I have this stuff everywhere. 1461 01:10:29,391 --> 01:10:30,976 I just came back from the inauguration. 1462 01:10:31,060 --> 01:10:33,145 I've been a Trump supporter since 2015. 1463 01:10:33,687 --> 01:10:37,107 It sounds like… Are you even in the manosphere? Not really. 1464 01:10:37,191 --> 01:10:38,943 I guess so. I am. 1465 01:10:39,026 --> 01:10:42,488 I mean, I think that, uh… that kind of graduated. 1466 01:10:42,571 --> 01:10:45,241 A lot of people that were in that space are now in politics. 1467 01:10:45,324 --> 01:10:48,744 And everybody in the "manosphere" is just… They're… people online 1468 01:10:48,827 --> 01:10:52,581 who are trying to make a buck, you know, selling ideologies. 1469 01:10:52,665 --> 01:10:54,708 People have heard all the talking points already. 1470 01:10:54,792 --> 01:10:56,961 I think the world got really crazy for a long time. 1471 01:10:57,044 --> 01:10:59,296 But I think we're reaching a little more of a balance 1472 01:10:59,380 --> 01:11:01,674 in terms of, uh, what's truthful and what's not. 1473 01:11:01,757 --> 01:11:04,677 Even the gender ideology got super crazy the past couple years. 1474 01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:08,514 Now seeing that there's laws, like, "Okay, actually, no, there's two." 1475 01:11:08,597 --> 01:11:09,932 "There are only two genders." 1476 01:11:10,015 --> 01:11:12,768 Simple stuff like that, I think, was really important. 1477 01:11:12,851 --> 01:11:15,020 And I think I deserve… Me, Fresh&Fit, the Tates, 1478 01:11:15,104 --> 01:11:18,732 I think we deserve a lot of credit in re-instilling that. 1479 01:11:21,485 --> 01:11:23,821 [Louis] We should get out there before it gets too dark. 1480 01:11:23,904 --> 01:11:25,197 [Sneako] Okay, you wanna go? 1481 01:11:27,700 --> 01:11:32,538 My streams became rage bait, became clips, became angriness. 1482 01:11:32,621 --> 01:11:35,499 And it was going viral, but it wasn't making people happy. 1483 01:11:35,582 --> 01:11:39,086 [Louis] Sneako is now putting out daily short films on X, 1484 01:11:39,169 --> 01:11:41,839 one of the few platforms he wasn't banned on. 1485 01:11:41,922 --> 01:11:43,048 -Can I get a picture? -Sure. 1486 01:11:44,174 --> 01:11:48,178 [Louis] But the flavor of his content had changed since he converted to Islam. 1487 01:11:50,931 --> 01:11:54,435 [Louis] His gender politics now came in spiritual packaging. 1488 01:11:55,936 --> 01:11:56,937 [Sneako] Look at this. 1489 01:11:57,604 --> 01:12:00,190 You know, there's a hadith in Islam where it says, 1490 01:12:00,274 --> 01:12:03,569 "In the end times, women will dress as if they're clothed but be fully naked." 1491 01:12:03,652 --> 01:12:06,071 And so, you can see this is the way that women dress now. 1492 01:12:06,155 --> 01:12:08,490 The… the little skirts in the advertisements. 1493 01:12:08,574 --> 01:12:11,994 It's… it's everywhere. Your brain gets tuned into this. 1494 01:12:12,077 --> 01:12:14,079 [guys] Yo! 1495 01:12:14,163 --> 01:12:15,831 -[Sneako] Hey, what up? -[guy 1] Oh my God. 1496 01:12:15,914 --> 01:12:16,915 [Sneako] What's poppin'? 1497 01:12:17,541 --> 01:12:19,335 -What up? What up? -[guy 2] Yo! 1498 01:12:19,418 --> 01:12:20,878 -What's going on? -[guy 3] Sneako! 1499 01:12:20,961 --> 01:12:22,921 -[guys clamoring] -Watch out. Watch out. 1500 01:12:23,005 --> 01:12:25,966 -[excited chatter] -[guy 4] Oh my God. 1501 01:12:26,717 --> 01:12:28,635 [guy 5] Can we get a picture? 1502 01:12:28,719 --> 01:12:30,471 [Sneako] Let's get a big group one. 1503 01:12:30,554 --> 01:12:32,848 -They're shooting a documentary now. -[guy 6] Dead-ass? 1504 01:12:32,931 --> 01:12:35,517 -Yeah. I think they don't like me. -[guy 6] Holy shit. 1505 01:12:36,769 --> 01:12:38,979 -This is mad funny. -Yeah, yeah. 1506 01:12:39,063 --> 01:12:40,647 Tell me about Sneako. 1507 01:12:40,731 --> 01:12:42,858 [guy 2] People heard the wrong things. 1508 01:12:42,941 --> 01:12:46,487 And, I think, generally, he's not that bad of a person, but… 1509 01:12:46,570 --> 01:12:49,114 -My guy. -[guy 2] You know, I heard him out. 1510 01:12:49,198 --> 01:12:50,908 -Appreciate that. -[Louis] We're in the road. 1511 01:12:50,991 --> 01:12:53,786 -No one said he did anything wrong. -[guy 2] People online. People who… 1512 01:12:53,869 --> 01:12:56,747 -What's the perception online? -[guy 1] People think he's controversial. 1513 01:12:56,830 --> 01:12:58,832 -[guy 3] It's usually about gender. -[guy 4] Yeah. 1514 01:12:58,916 --> 01:13:01,126 [guy 3] I feel like it's controven-- 1515 01:13:01,210 --> 01:13:04,421 -[guy 4] And… and… the Jews. The Jews. -I love Jews. 1516 01:13:04,505 --> 01:13:07,841 [guy 2] Yeah, nah, some people are saying he, like… he hates them. 1517 01:13:07,925 --> 01:13:09,134 Nah, nah, that's not true. 1518 01:13:09,218 --> 01:13:12,429 -[Louis] Where have you seen his content? -[guy 5] TikTok, YouTube, Instagram. 1519 01:13:12,513 --> 01:13:13,639 [Louis] He's banned. 1520 01:13:13,722 --> 01:13:15,432 [Sneako] On every one of those, I'm banned. 1521 01:13:15,516 --> 01:13:17,976 -[guy 2] But he's on all of them. -[guy 4] There's clips. 1522 01:13:18,060 --> 01:13:21,146 Be safe out here. Don't get hit by a car. Appreciate you guys. Man, stay up. 1523 01:13:21,230 --> 01:13:22,314 Stay up. 1524 01:13:22,398 --> 01:13:24,525 -[guy 1] See you, Sneako! -[guy 3] See you, Sneako! 1525 01:13:26,026 --> 01:13:28,195 [Sneako] Maybe I'll grab a coffee in here in this deli. 1526 01:13:30,989 --> 01:13:33,158 Can I have a small coffee, light and sweet? 1527 01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:35,160 [Louis] Thank you. 1528 01:13:36,078 --> 01:13:38,414 Look at that. Is that degenerate or artistic? 1529 01:13:38,497 --> 01:13:41,333 You see the one-eye symbolism? This is satanic symbolism right here. 1530 01:13:41,417 --> 01:13:42,584 -Do you think so? -Oh, it is. 1531 01:13:42,668 --> 01:13:44,753 When you cover one eye, this is what Dajjal looks like. 1532 01:13:44,837 --> 01:13:46,547 The Antichrist is gonna show up with one eye. 1533 01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:48,924 -So when you see celebrities-- -Come on, stop it. 1534 01:13:49,007 --> 01:13:51,009 How many magazine covers have one-eye symbolism? 1535 01:13:51,093 --> 01:13:52,594 Every celebrity does it. They all do. 1536 01:13:52,678 --> 01:13:55,139 You've only got two eyes. You can do two, one, or none. 1537 01:13:55,222 --> 01:13:56,807 But why is it every magazine cover 1538 01:13:56,890 --> 01:13:59,726 you see a celebrity doing this pose exactly, covering one eye? 1539 01:13:59,810 --> 01:14:01,562 -[Louis] Are you for real? -I am for real. 1540 01:14:01,645 --> 01:14:03,897 -[Louis] Who do you think's behind it? -The Satanists. 1541 01:14:03,981 --> 01:14:05,649 They're pledging allegiance to Satan. 1542 01:14:05,732 --> 01:14:07,484 Do you think Satanists are running the world? 1543 01:14:07,568 --> 01:14:08,694 Absolutely. 1544 01:14:08,777 --> 01:14:11,238 Do you? Okay, now we've got something weird. 1545 01:14:11,321 --> 01:14:13,282 -Yeah. You don't think so? -[Louis] No. 1546 01:14:13,365 --> 01:14:15,742 A great example is every award show. 1547 01:14:15,826 --> 01:14:19,204 You know Sam Smith? He's a British guy. He used to look like you. 1548 01:14:19,288 --> 01:14:22,458 Then suddenly, he became extremely fat. He became transgender. 1549 01:14:22,541 --> 01:14:24,626 Then now his award shows are not just spreading LGBT. 1550 01:14:24,710 --> 01:14:29,256 He's straight-up worshiping the devil. It's not even subtle. The music is saying… 1551 01:14:29,339 --> 01:14:30,716 ♪ Something unholy ♪ 1552 01:14:30,799 --> 01:14:32,342 And then the way he performs it, 1553 01:14:32,426 --> 01:14:35,179 he puts on the devil horns with 30 devils onstage, 1554 01:14:35,262 --> 01:14:37,931 and they're simulating having gay sex at the award show. 1555 01:14:38,015 --> 01:14:41,310 Is this just, like, art? Or is it part of something bigger? 1556 01:14:41,393 --> 01:14:43,479 Are they trying to spread a message to the populace? 1557 01:14:43,562 --> 01:14:46,148 So you think there's someone above Sam Smith and his team… 1558 01:14:46,231 --> 01:14:47,566 -Yeah. -Who's basically-- 1559 01:14:47,649 --> 01:14:50,319 Telling him to do that and steering him in that direction? Absolutely. 1560 01:14:50,402 --> 01:14:51,403 I strongly doubt it. 1561 01:14:51,487 --> 01:14:54,364 The idea that there's a Satanist cabal who are somehow running-- 1562 01:14:54,448 --> 01:14:57,951 There is. And they want to establish a one-world government. 1563 01:14:58,035 --> 01:14:59,203 And who's in it? 1564 01:14:59,286 --> 01:15:01,246 Who's in the government? It doesn't really-- 1565 01:15:01,330 --> 01:15:03,123 Who's in the Satanist cabal? 1566 01:15:03,207 --> 01:15:05,501 I mean, I don't know. I think the Rothschilds started it. 1567 01:15:05,584 --> 01:15:07,419 Is it Jewish in character? 1568 01:15:07,503 --> 01:15:08,921 No. No. 1569 01:15:09,004 --> 01:15:10,923 'Cause that does have some of the hallmarks 1570 01:15:11,006 --> 01:15:13,133 of an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. 1571 01:15:13,217 --> 01:15:17,095 I also think that when you talk about the world being run by Satanists, 1572 01:15:17,179 --> 01:15:19,056 you've just gone off the deep end. 1573 01:15:19,139 --> 01:15:21,767 The world isn't run by Sam Smith. 1574 01:15:21,850 --> 01:15:24,895 No, but evil people that control him do. 1575 01:15:26,522 --> 01:15:28,524 [unsettling music playing] 1576 01:15:35,822 --> 01:15:38,408 [Louis] Sneako had disavowed the red pill 1577 01:15:38,492 --> 01:15:41,078 but leaned further into conspiracy theories. 1578 01:15:41,662 --> 01:15:42,663 [man] Nice. 1579 01:15:43,372 --> 01:15:47,209 [Louis] It was part of a pattern across the world of influencers. 1580 01:15:47,292 --> 01:15:50,295 I mean, let's just look at the nature of the Jew. 1581 01:15:50,379 --> 01:15:53,340 [Louis] To push false narratives about a shadowy cabal 1582 01:15:53,423 --> 01:15:56,009 who is plotting the social downfall of the West 1583 01:15:56,093 --> 01:15:58,095 by promoting degeneracy, 1584 01:15:58,178 --> 01:16:01,848 often with an explicitly anti-Semitic flavor. 1585 01:16:01,932 --> 01:16:06,812 Who pushed feminism? The fucking Jews. Who pushed homosexuality? The Jews. 1586 01:16:06,895 --> 01:16:08,897 These are conversations they don't want you to hear. 1587 01:16:08,981 --> 01:16:13,277 [Louis] It felt like, for some, the talk of the matrix ended up here. 1588 01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,613 I feel like the people who run the world don't have our best intentions. 1589 01:16:16,697 --> 01:16:19,908 [Louis] I'd heard similar ideas from Ed in Marbella. 1590 01:16:19,992 --> 01:16:23,203 They use vibrations that are gonna negatively bring you down. 1591 01:16:23,287 --> 01:16:25,497 And who do you think controls all of that? 1592 01:16:27,624 --> 01:16:28,792 The Jews. 1593 01:16:29,626 --> 01:16:31,670 I'm gonna strongly disagree about that. 1594 01:16:32,254 --> 01:16:34,006 And Myron in Florida. 1595 01:16:34,506 --> 01:16:37,801 Do you feel like it's become fashionable to blame Jews for things 1596 01:16:37,884 --> 01:16:39,970 in the red-pill community? 1597 01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:41,513 Well… 1598 01:16:42,764 --> 01:16:44,850 -Can I get a drink of water then answer? -[Louis] Sure. 1599 01:16:44,933 --> 01:16:46,852 All right. I'll be right back. 1600 01:16:47,769 --> 01:16:49,313 [sighs] Sorry about that. Okay. 1601 01:16:50,272 --> 01:16:53,108 So… I think a big reason 1602 01:16:53,191 --> 01:16:55,152 why so many people are talking about it now 1603 01:16:55,235 --> 01:16:58,155 is because it's a topic that's been censored for decades. 1604 01:16:58,238 --> 01:17:00,824 It was one of the topics that would get you banned immediately 1605 01:17:00,907 --> 01:17:02,409 on any mainstream platform. 1606 01:17:02,492 --> 01:17:05,912 Fuck the Jews! Fuck the Jews! Fuck the Jews! 1607 01:17:05,996 --> 01:17:07,789 [Louis] Another was HS. 1608 01:17:07,873 --> 01:17:11,793 Theroux's just sat there with his Jew fingers, like, "Yes." 1609 01:17:11,877 --> 01:17:14,463 [Louis] Seemingly leaping onto a bandwagon of hate. 1610 01:17:14,546 --> 01:17:15,839 What are you saying, bro? 1611 01:17:15,922 --> 01:17:18,967 Because he knew it was so shocking, it would be clippable. 1612 01:17:19,051 --> 01:17:20,552 Nice to meet you. 1613 01:17:20,636 --> 01:17:23,138 [Louis] It almost felt like an inflationary spiral 1614 01:17:23,221 --> 01:17:24,765 of racism and bigotry 1615 01:17:24,848 --> 01:17:28,852 in order to get people's attention, and that this could quickly escalate. 1616 01:17:28,935 --> 01:17:31,021 [Harrison] Where you at? Where you at, pussy ho? 1617 01:17:31,104 --> 01:17:32,230 Where you at, pussy? 1618 01:17:32,314 --> 01:17:34,483 [Louis] Stranger still, it seemed to me 1619 01:17:34,566 --> 01:17:37,903 that it was all with the aim of selling products to teenagers. 1620 01:17:37,986 --> 01:17:40,280 [Harrison] Son of a bitch! Come on, bitch! Are you dumb? 1621 01:17:43,825 --> 01:17:45,827 [tense music rises] 1622 01:17:50,374 --> 01:17:54,461 [Louis] I'd once taken £500 and joined HS's investment group, 1623 01:17:54,544 --> 01:17:56,380 making trades with its advice, 1624 01:17:56,463 --> 01:17:59,633 hoping to join the ranks of those who'd levelled up. 1625 01:17:59,716 --> 01:18:03,470 With its help, after two months, my money was mostly gone. 1626 01:18:05,847 --> 01:18:09,351 But it was less about the money than how it seemed symptomatic 1627 01:18:09,434 --> 01:18:11,812 of a world where nothing was quite as advertised. 1628 01:18:11,895 --> 01:18:18,443 The romance, the confidence, the wealth were all either illusory or out of reach. 1629 01:18:18,527 --> 01:18:23,031 And the anger seemed a compensation for the fear of being exposed. 1630 01:18:23,949 --> 01:18:26,368 [Harrison] Theroux come in, yeah, trying to give it all large, 1631 01:18:26,451 --> 01:18:27,911 trying to chat all this shit. 1632 01:18:27,994 --> 01:18:31,081 So, what if Louis comes out and wants to chat crap? I don't care. 1633 01:18:31,915 --> 01:18:37,921 If you wanna call me a pimp, scammer, racist, homophobic dickhead, 1634 01:18:38,004 --> 01:18:39,673 I'm all of those, Theroux. 1635 01:18:40,257 --> 01:18:42,759 I didn't even know who you were before this documentary, 1636 01:18:42,843 --> 01:18:45,595 and I won't know who you are after. I do not give a fuck. 1637 01:18:47,389 --> 01:18:51,977 [Louis] HS was now more visible than ever, his social media following up, 1638 01:18:52,060 --> 01:18:55,105 mainstream papers and TV shows taking notice. 1639 01:18:55,188 --> 01:18:56,857 The digital world he inhabited meant 1640 01:18:56,940 --> 01:19:00,193 that instead of being cancelled, he was riding high. 1641 01:19:04,865 --> 01:19:07,701 And so I'd decided to see him one last time, 1642 01:19:07,784 --> 01:19:11,538 hoping to level with him about the troubling attitudes he promoted. 1643 01:19:11,621 --> 01:19:12,873 Oh my goodness. 1644 01:19:13,457 --> 01:19:14,624 [woman] Hi! 1645 01:19:15,125 --> 01:19:16,710 -You must be Elaine. -I am Elaine. 1646 01:19:16,793 --> 01:19:18,003 -You must be Louis. -I am. 1647 01:19:18,086 --> 01:19:20,964 [Louis] He was in Marbella, still on the run from his car crash case 1648 01:19:21,047 --> 01:19:23,300 and being visited by his mum, Elaine. 1649 01:19:23,383 --> 01:19:25,385 -Thanks for doing this. -You're welcome. 1650 01:19:25,469 --> 01:19:26,344 There's Sam. 1651 01:19:27,387 --> 01:19:31,057 [Louis] As soon as I arrived, I sensed a slightly weird vibe. 1652 01:19:31,641 --> 01:19:33,685 Are you a fan of HS's content? 1653 01:19:33,769 --> 01:19:35,937 Well, I don't think of him as HS. 1654 01:19:36,021 --> 01:19:37,481 -He's Harrison. -[Louis] Mm. 1655 01:19:37,564 --> 01:19:39,900 If anyone went through and said that they agreed 1656 01:19:39,983 --> 01:19:42,652 with absolutely everything their child did and said, 1657 01:19:42,736 --> 01:19:44,404 then they'd be telling an untruth. 1658 01:19:44,488 --> 01:19:46,573 So, of course, there's things I don't agree with. 1659 01:19:46,656 --> 01:19:48,450 And he knows that. 1660 01:19:48,533 --> 01:19:50,702 [Louis] You've talked about traditional gender roles 1661 01:19:50,786 --> 01:19:55,707 and actually thinking that, in general, men should order women around, right? 1662 01:19:55,791 --> 01:19:59,628 "Men should order women around"? I think that's a bit of an extreme. 1663 01:19:59,711 --> 01:20:03,131 You have said that you thought that it'd be better to marry a virgin. 1664 01:20:03,882 --> 01:20:05,550 Yeah, I've… Ideally. 1665 01:20:06,218 --> 01:20:08,845 Why do I want a ting that's been run through? 1666 01:20:09,387 --> 01:20:12,140 That type of thing, the way women are stereotyped 1667 01:20:12,224 --> 01:20:16,186 if they have multiple partners to the way that men are, 1668 01:20:16,269 --> 01:20:19,189 I find it… extraordinary. 1669 01:20:19,272 --> 01:20:22,859 But it's been like that since the beginning of time. And sadly-- 1670 01:20:22,943 --> 01:20:26,696 -[Louis] We should push back on that. -Well, yes, but… 1671 01:20:26,780 --> 01:20:28,573 -He's shaking his head. -No. 1672 01:20:28,657 --> 01:20:31,243 Most women in the world are not like my mum. 1673 01:20:31,326 --> 01:20:33,912 Most are thick. Most. 1674 01:20:33,995 --> 01:20:35,956 -[splutters] Most women? -[Harrison] Most-- 1675 01:20:36,039 --> 01:20:37,749 Sorry. In the handful that you've met? 1676 01:20:37,833 --> 01:20:42,212 You're not talking to women of my age. You're talking to… 1677 01:20:42,295 --> 01:20:44,548 -[Harrison] About 30. -[scoffs] 1678 01:20:46,174 --> 01:20:48,760 [Louis] What struck me in the last week or so, 1679 01:20:48,844 --> 01:20:50,554 I've seen clips of HS saying, 1680 01:20:50,637 --> 01:20:55,976 "Call me racist, call me misogynist, call me homophobic, call me a scammer." 1681 01:20:56,059 --> 01:20:57,727 "I'm all those things." 1682 01:20:57,811 --> 01:20:59,980 Yeah, that's my way of saying I don't care. 1683 01:21:00,063 --> 01:21:02,482 -Do you feel you are those things? -No. 1684 01:21:02,566 --> 01:21:04,568 -I think you're homophobic. -I'm not homophobic. 1685 01:21:04,651 --> 01:21:05,986 -He's not. -I have a gay mate. 1686 01:21:06,069 --> 01:21:09,030 But you said that if you had a son, and he was gay, you'd disown him. 1687 01:21:11,533 --> 01:21:12,742 That's not homophobic. 1688 01:21:12,826 --> 01:21:16,621 The other thing was some of the anti-Semitic things you were saying. 1689 01:21:17,664 --> 01:21:19,040 He's Jewish. 1690 01:21:19,541 --> 01:21:21,626 Have I said in a clip, "Fuck the Jews"? Yes. 1691 01:21:22,252 --> 01:21:24,963 Does that mean I'm anti-Semitic? No. I'm clip-farming. 1692 01:21:25,046 --> 01:21:27,132 Kids watch this stuff, don't they? 1693 01:21:27,215 --> 01:21:29,509 So they look up to you like you're their superhero. 1694 01:21:29,593 --> 01:21:31,428 They hear that. They think it's acceptable. 1695 01:21:31,511 --> 01:21:33,555 That's the parents' fault. That's not my fault. 1696 01:21:33,638 --> 01:21:36,016 I don't need to censor myself. I'll say what I want. 1697 01:21:36,099 --> 01:21:38,602 I've had 13-year-olds come up to me, and I'm like, 1698 01:21:38,685 --> 01:21:42,022 "Mate, why are you watching my stuff? You're too young to watch my stuff." 1699 01:21:42,105 --> 01:21:45,400 13-year-olds, 14, 15 is probably, like, your main demographic. 1700 01:21:45,483 --> 01:21:46,985 [Harrison] No, it isn't. 1701 01:21:48,528 --> 01:21:51,114 [Louis] This character over here is the one I'm worried about. 1702 01:21:51,197 --> 01:21:52,490 So sinister. 1703 01:21:52,574 --> 01:21:55,285 -Yeah. We've all got the cameras out. -[Louis] Jeez. 1704 01:21:55,911 --> 01:21:59,164 As we spoke, I was increasingly aware of Sam's filming, 1705 01:21:59,247 --> 01:22:02,042 and that HS was probably streaming to a live audience. 1706 01:22:02,125 --> 01:22:03,293 Now I was… 1707 01:22:03,376 --> 01:22:04,544 [whispering] Zoom in. 1708 01:22:04,628 --> 01:22:05,712 Can you zoom in a bit? 1709 01:22:05,795 --> 01:22:08,256 [Louis] Performing provocations for the chat. 1710 01:22:09,174 --> 01:22:12,177 For you, the only metric is making money. It doesn't really-- 1711 01:22:12,260 --> 01:22:14,471 Making money, being healthy, being happy. 1712 01:22:16,014 --> 01:22:20,226 If I wasn't doing social media, I'd be up the city, playing that game. 1713 01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:23,647 Now, I'm playing the game of life, and I'm playing it very well. 1714 01:22:23,730 --> 01:22:26,858 Do you believe in doing the right thing for its own sake? 1715 01:22:26,942 --> 01:22:29,527 Obviously, you've got a couple of criminal cases, right? 1716 01:22:29,611 --> 01:22:32,697 Oh, look, this is the twat shit that you start saying, bro. 1717 01:22:32,781 --> 01:22:36,034 Honestly, this is the stuff that pisses me off. 1718 01:22:37,035 --> 01:22:38,328 Why do you need to go there? 1719 01:22:38,411 --> 01:22:41,331 [Elaine] He's not gonna talk about any issues with the law. 1720 01:22:41,414 --> 01:22:42,874 I'm talking about what's reported. 1721 01:22:42,958 --> 01:22:45,794 -You don't have to say anything. -You're such a little twat, mate. 1722 01:22:45,877 --> 01:22:49,839 You've done it just to get a reaction, so please don't, or else it will end. 1723 01:22:49,923 --> 01:22:51,841 If you don't agree with what Harrison's doing, 1724 01:22:51,925 --> 01:22:55,387 then why are you making money off of it on a program by publicizing it? 1725 01:22:55,470 --> 01:22:58,056 You're doing it because you think he's a controversial character, 1726 01:22:58,139 --> 01:22:59,599 so you're making money off it. 1727 01:22:59,683 --> 01:23:02,018 And that's why… that's all your programs are. 1728 01:23:02,102 --> 01:23:05,355 -Even with your mate Jimmy Savile. -[Elaine] What you choose to cut-- Yeah. 1729 01:23:05,438 --> 01:23:07,816 -Even with your good mate Jimmy Savile. -Come on. 1730 01:23:08,984 --> 01:23:10,568 Theroux cooked. 1731 01:23:10,652 --> 01:23:13,655 I get Jimmy Savile energy from some of the manosphere figures. 1732 01:23:13,738 --> 01:23:15,281 Jimmy Savile used to refer to women… 1733 01:23:15,365 --> 01:23:18,952 [Louis] HS seemed to have changed tactics to put me on the back foot. 1734 01:23:19,494 --> 01:23:20,870 -A question? -[Louis] Absolutely. 1735 01:23:20,954 --> 01:23:22,914 Are Israel committing genocide? 1736 01:23:23,915 --> 01:23:24,916 [clicks tongue] 1737 01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,002 You're a puppet. You can't say what you want. 1738 01:23:27,085 --> 01:23:28,920 -I wanna think about-- -You're a puppet. 1739 01:23:29,004 --> 01:23:29,963 In my opinion-- 1740 01:23:30,046 --> 01:23:32,424 You're a puppet the same way you are for Savile. Puppet. 1741 01:23:32,507 --> 01:23:34,092 Are you livestreaming at the moment? 1742 01:23:34,175 --> 01:23:36,219 No, we're filming for a YouTube video. 1743 01:23:36,302 --> 01:23:37,470 I think you're livestreaming. 1744 01:23:37,554 --> 01:23:39,222 With me, I don't have to edit. 1745 01:23:39,305 --> 01:23:41,391 I don't do this bullshit editing that you do, 1746 01:23:41,474 --> 01:23:43,143 where this wouldn't be in the show. 1747 01:23:43,226 --> 01:23:46,396 'Cause I'm real. I'm raw. I'm not a puppet. I'm not controlled. 1748 01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:47,564 No one's my daddy. 1749 01:23:47,647 --> 01:23:49,691 Savile's your daddy. The Jews are your daddy. 1750 01:23:49,774 --> 01:23:51,860 You know it. I don't give a fuck. 1751 01:23:53,111 --> 01:23:57,574 This is why I say what I believe, and I don't need to edit anything, ever. 1752 01:23:58,199 --> 01:24:01,286 Ever. Nothing with me needs to be edited out. 1753 01:24:01,369 --> 01:24:04,622 Put what you want about me on the net, I don't give a toss. 1754 01:24:08,626 --> 01:24:14,340 [Louis] HS's declaration to his camera and his live audience was, I realized, 1755 01:24:14,424 --> 01:24:16,092 his grand finale. 1756 01:24:18,678 --> 01:24:20,722 Are you a fan of HS's content? 1757 01:24:20,805 --> 01:24:22,849 Well, I don't think of him as HS. 1758 01:24:22,932 --> 01:24:26,061 [Louis] Within minutes, content from the stream had gone viral. 1759 01:24:26,144 --> 01:24:29,147 Look, this is the twat shit that you start saying, bro. 1760 01:24:29,230 --> 01:24:31,066 [Louis] Edited by HS's clippers 1761 01:24:31,149 --> 01:24:34,069 into short snippets with clickbait headlines. 1762 01:24:34,152 --> 01:24:36,529 You're a puppet. You can't say what you want to say. 1763 01:24:36,613 --> 01:24:38,406 -I wanna think about-- -You're a puppet. 1764 01:24:38,490 --> 01:24:42,035 -Louis is owned by the fucking Jews! -[horn blares] 1765 01:24:43,578 --> 01:24:46,039 [Louis] Later, I caught up with the whole stream. 1766 01:24:46,623 --> 01:24:48,958 -[Sam] We're live. -We're live, yeah? 1767 01:24:49,042 --> 01:24:51,169 All right, good. All right, let's show him. 1768 01:24:51,252 --> 01:24:52,962 Five minutes till Theroux's here. 1769 01:24:53,046 --> 01:24:56,633 [Louis] On Sam's camera, it unfolded very differently. 1770 01:24:56,716 --> 01:24:58,885 Even with your good mate Jimmy Savile, mate. 1771 01:24:58,968 --> 01:25:01,679 -Theroux cooked. -I get Jimmy Savile energy… 1772 01:25:01,763 --> 01:25:05,308 The anonymous commenters marionetting HS's performance 1773 01:25:05,391 --> 01:25:06,684 as they fed him questions. 1774 01:25:08,228 --> 01:25:10,980 Can I ask you a question? Are Israel committing genocide? 1775 01:25:11,064 --> 01:25:13,316 [Louis] Of all the material, what I was most struck by 1776 01:25:13,399 --> 01:25:16,277 were the moments with HS's mum before the interview. 1777 01:25:16,361 --> 01:25:19,072 -It's just what I like. -That juice bar you get the things from. 1778 01:25:19,155 --> 01:25:21,116 -They'll have ginger. -I don't want a juice. 1779 01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:22,909 You don't have to have juice. 1780 01:25:22,992 --> 01:25:25,161 Mummy, I don't want a juice bar. All right? 1781 01:25:25,245 --> 01:25:28,623 Don't embarrass me. Don't be rude. That's not the way I've brought you up. 1782 01:25:28,706 --> 01:25:30,166 -Do not be rude. -I won't be. 1783 01:25:30,250 --> 01:25:32,794 -'Cause it's a reflection on me. -All right, I won't be. 1784 01:25:33,419 --> 01:25:36,214 [Louis] They had an unlikely domestic flavor. 1785 01:25:36,297 --> 01:25:38,675 -Done. -Can you get… Look at this! 1786 01:25:38,758 --> 01:25:41,219 I'm not having them come in here… Look. Get out of the way. 1787 01:25:43,638 --> 01:25:45,974 Hello, YouTube. 1788 01:25:46,057 --> 01:25:51,146 I'm going to do chubby bunnies with marshmallows. 1789 01:25:52,105 --> 01:25:56,192 Put one marshmallow in your mouth, and then you say, "Chubby bunny." 1790 01:25:56,276 --> 01:25:59,362 [Louis] It's tempting to see the extreme male influencers 1791 01:25:59,445 --> 01:26:03,825 as adversaries spewing hate, and in some ways, they are. 1792 01:26:04,951 --> 01:26:06,244 I wanted to be a doctor. 1793 01:26:06,327 --> 01:26:08,496 That's what my Filipino grandparents said I wanted to be. 1794 01:26:08,580 --> 01:26:09,914 One of the few stereotypes… 1795 01:26:09,998 --> 01:26:12,542 [Louis] But they are also products of a culture, 1796 01:26:12,625 --> 01:26:16,546 growing up online in a world that's changing at dizzying speed 1797 01:26:16,629 --> 01:26:18,673 with narrowing opportunities, 1798 01:26:18,756 --> 01:26:22,468 where the old entitlements of manhood have been challenged. 1799 01:26:24,721 --> 01:26:28,057 It is perhaps not surprising that some have sought the comfort 1800 01:26:28,141 --> 01:26:31,936 of a simplified world of gain hacks and conspiracy theories. 1801 01:26:34,606 --> 01:26:36,941 It struck me that the matrix they rail against 1802 01:26:37,025 --> 01:26:39,861 more accurately describes the algorithmic prison 1803 01:26:39,944 --> 01:26:42,405 they've created for their followers. 1804 01:26:43,406 --> 01:26:45,867 An illusion of endless wealth and power 1805 01:26:45,950 --> 01:26:49,245 that actually only enriches a few at the top. 1806 01:26:50,663 --> 01:26:53,082 [tense music playing] 1807 01:26:58,338 --> 01:27:00,423 -[cheering] -USA! USA! USA! 1808 01:27:00,506 --> 01:27:01,674 [Louis] With their ascendancy, 1809 01:27:01,758 --> 01:27:05,094 we are in a world where the fringe is no longer fringe. 1810 01:27:05,178 --> 01:27:09,724 We kept a female president from taking power. Let's go! 1811 01:27:09,807 --> 01:27:13,311 [Louis] Where we are all increasingly inside the manosphere. 1812 01:27:13,394 --> 01:27:14,854 I'll take it, mate. 1813 01:27:14,938 --> 01:27:17,732 [Louis] And it's up to us how we get out. 1814 01:27:17,815 --> 01:27:19,067 -Nice to meet you. -Thank you. 1815 01:27:19,150 --> 01:27:20,360 Have a good time. See you. 1816 01:27:29,744 --> 01:27:33,331 A TikTok influencer who spent nearly a year on the run 1817 01:27:33,414 --> 01:27:34,832 has been spared jail 1818 01:27:34,916 --> 01:27:38,544 after receiving a one-year suspended custodial sentence. 1819 01:27:38,628 --> 01:27:42,382 That's for dangerous driving and also driving without insurance. 1820 01:27:42,465 --> 01:27:46,302 He's known as HSTikkyTokky. 1821 01:27:53,184 --> 01:27:55,770 This shit is on me, bro. Like, it's not on her whatsoever. 1822 01:27:55,853 --> 01:27:59,357 We haven't been together for a minute, and she wants a family. 1823 01:28:00,233 --> 01:28:01,526 And I can't give that to her now. 1824 01:28:09,867 --> 01:28:11,911 [Sneako] This is my first video back on YouTube. 1825 01:28:11,995 --> 01:28:13,079 I did it. 1826 01:28:13,955 --> 01:28:15,707 I don't know. Should I post this? 1827 01:28:18,376 --> 01:28:19,419 Ready? 1828 01:28:30,346 --> 01:28:32,265 [energetic music playing]